Minimum Width Breaker + Sub-Panel

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A new residential build is in progress for a detached garage with upstairs bonus area. 200A is dedicated to the building off an 800A meter. There will be multiple EV chargers, tankless hot water heater, upper and lower HVAC, etc., and now that there's a desire for a bit more devices, a sub-panel should go in.

After the roof was constructed, it became clear there's quite a bit of space upstairs where the breaker panels will be (full-standard stairs), so a bathroom is being planned right where the main line comes in. Of course the breaker panels can't be in the bathroom, so the plan is to extend the unfinished equipment room into the space where the bathroom would be to encompass the breakers would be (city code hotline to confirmed they don't see an issue with an equipment room through the bathroom). The original plan was to have the breakers on the horizontal lower wall in the attached image, but doing so would mean losing 6" of precious bathroom width since 36" of course needs to be clear in front of the panels (with the door closed).

Now the thought is the breakers can be on the wall where they are shown (main line has been run and there's enough room to move the panel slightly). A sub-panel could go anywhere in compliance, but there is a slanted roof, and the yellow area is the <6' zone for height with 8' 4.5" at the apex. As such, the equipment room that has more wall space is simply not tall enough for a panel.

So, per NEC 110.26(A)(2), I believe we could put the main and sub panel side with a 2x4 in the middle where shown and be in compliance (clear area 30" W, >36" D, ~8' H). The 30" width I understand is not 15" from center on each side. I thought I'd see if you see an issue with or have other ideas how to accomplish this and take up as little space as possible while being safe and compliant.

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The panels can share their working area but it needs to be atleast as wide as the 2 panels. You'll need a 2by between the panels and on either side if you want the flush mount covers to work right thats 33.5 inchs. What's available outdoors at the ct can some panels there it wouldn't be anymore unseemly? You can put a panel in a bedroom no problem just have it behind a door swing to keep stuff away from it.
 
You can't find a panel with enough circuits, even with tandems?

Install the sub-panel below the main panel., in the wall opposite the door, the wall the toilet is against.
 
Thanks for chiming-in.

Can you please elaborate, @ptonsparky ? When you say you need depth and with, I'm not sure what you mean. I know we need 36" straight away from the panel for working space, and in the attached image, there's way more than 36".

Good thoughts, @letgomywago . That wall is not going to be finished on the equipment room side, but I guess we need to see if I can find covers that aren't as wide. Hmm.

@LarryFine , the main reason for the subpanel is to take some load off of the main circuit breaker panel, but it's going to get crowded. If we install the sub-panel where you suggest, there's only 30" between the panel and the door. However, when the door is open, there's lots and lots of space. I didn't think an open door works for the 36" clearance required. Do you know if it would? That would make things easier for sure!
 
Thanks for chiming-in.

Can you please elaborate, @ptonsparky ? When you say you need depth and with, I'm not sure what you mean. I know we need 36" straight away from the panel for working space, and in the attached image, there's way more than 36".

Good thoughts, @letgomywago . That wall is not going to be finished on the equipment room side, but I guess we need to see if I can find covers that aren't as wide. Hmm.

@LarryFine , the main reason for the subpanel is to take some load off of the main circuit breaker panel, but it's going to get crowded. If we install the sub-panel where you suggest, there's only 30" between the panel and the door. However, when the door is open, there's lots and lots of space. I didn't think an open door works for the 36" clearance required. Do you know if it would? That would make things easier for sure!
You can count the space with the door open. It's done all the time in bedrooms, stairs, etc.
 
Thanks for chiming-in.

Can you please elaborate, @ptonsparky ? When you say you need depth and with, I'm not sure what you mean. I know we need 36" straight away from the panel for working space, and in the attached image, there's way more than 36".

Good thoughts, @letgomywago . That wall is not going to be finished on the equipment room side, but I guess we need to see if I can find covers that aren't as wide. Hmm.

@LarryFine , the main reason for the subpanel is to take some load off of the main circuit breaker panel, but it's going to get crowded. If we install the sub-panel where you suggest, there's only 30" between the panel and the door. However, when the door is open, there's lots and lots of space. I didn't think an open door works for the 36" clearance required. Do you know if it would? That would make things easier for sure!
Depending on what is ordered for panels you can get a surface mount cover that doesn't protrude the sides as much but still plan on 0.75inch for them still
 
Looking at your sketch the question is the slope of the ceiling and whether or not the height of the working space is maintained?
 
I would tell the GC I need 34" wide, so that when the framer makes it 33.5" and also forgets about drywall thickness, I still have 32" wide for two panel covers that are each 15.5", plus a small gap between them.
 
That 24" door bothers me. Scrinch the vanity in a bit, and make that door 30 or 36 inches. Someone will thank you!
 
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