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electricmanscott

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This is in response to this reply by Charlie B in another thread. Here is the reply to an issue regarding how many receptacles are allowed on a branch circuit....

Thank you, Danny, but I think there are two things you need to know. First, as I presume this is intended to be a comment for Mike Holt to read, you should know that he very, very seldom reads or posts comments to this forum. If you wish to give him feedback related to one of his publications, you need to go to his home web page and look for the technical feedback link.

Secondly, the topic of whether the NEC actually has a limit on the number of receptacles on a given circuit has been the subject of several long debates on this forum. I, for one, do not agree with your statement. But if you wish to learn more about that debate, you?ll have to do a search for related threads.

I will not allow this thread to open up that debate again. But if anyone can do us the favor of finding the old threads and posting a link, I would be grateful. Regrettably, I haven?t the time to look myself.

My question is this, Why was this not allowed to continue on in whatever form it happened to take? Many subjects are beaten into the ground over and over again. Some I just ignore some I chime in on with the same answers as the last time and I assume others do the same.

I realize an effort was made to redirect to the previous threads but...

Not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things I just thought it was odd to close it down for really no reason other than it has been done before. If that's the gauge as to what topics are allowed I'd say it's probably time to just Nuke the whole board.

Just thinking out loud.
 
I went back and read the original thread and, after reading , I really don't know what the actual question was.
To me the thread did seem to focus on the question "is there a limit to the number of outlest on a rssidential branch circuit".
If that is the case, I would say, I fully support Charlie's actions. Perhaps he could have included the short answer, NO, but I don't see that there is much room for debate on the subject, especially to the point of starting another 5 page thread.
You are correct, that there are similiar questions that have been allowed to ramble on, but, my opinion would be that I wish Charlie had been there to "squash" those also.
Perhaps we should expand the FAQ catagory to include questions about "number of outlets", "ground up or ground down", "phase colors" etc to prevent endlesss chatter about items that don't seem to be that debatable.

I will now step down from my soapbox.
 
I dont think he was out of bounds, however, I think we should have another area like a FAQ area where we can put the most common topics that all the active members are sick of discussing.

25 Ohms for ground rods
What meter or tools
Do I have to follow 70E
What PPE do I need to work on "blank"? Answer, you cant work on that hot because...

I am sick of a few myself, but feel bad not helping if it is a safety issue, would be better to refer them to the link.
 
charlie b said:
I will not allow this thread to open up that debate again.
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electricmanscott said:
My question is this, Why was this not allowed to continue on in whatever form it happened to take?
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First of all, thank you for your candor, in bringing up a concern. I can take the heat, if any heat is to be taken.

I stand by my original decision. If you read that original thread again, you will see that the OP was attempting to convey information to Mike Holt regarding what the OP perceived to be an error in one of Mike?s publications. To open a technical debate on the code issues would have been to divert the thread from its original intended purpose. That would not have been fair to the OP.
 
charlie b said:
First of all, thank you for your candor, in bringing up a concern. I can take the heat, if any heat is to be taken.
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No "heat" intended as I said mostly just thinking out loud. "Out of bounds" might not have been the best way to put it.

Also, trust me, if I was taking a shot at someobody, not that I would ever do such a thing, Charlie would not be on the "hit List". Not that I have such a list. ;)

The responses pretty much answer my thoughts.

One thing I would be interested in knowing is whether or not anybody actually reads the FAQ's. :confused:

Now more importantly, where in the NEC would I find the requirements for gound up or down?? Discuss. :D
 
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We can officially add the "number of receptacles" thread to the Notorious Three mentioned at the bottom of the table of contents page. I don't know if I'd personally say it goes there, but I could understand others feeling that way.

electricmanscott said:
One thing I would be interested in knowing is whether or not anybody actually reads the FAQ's. :confused:
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Hey, I can only do so much. :D

electricmanscott said:
Now more importantly, where in the NEC would I find the requirements for gound up or down?? Discuss. :D
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310.4(M). Read closely and summarize. :D

zog said:
I dont think he was out of bounds, however, I think we should have another area like a FAQ area where we can put the most common topics that all the active members are sick of discussing.

25 Ohms for ground rods
What meter or tools
Do I have to follow 70E
What PPE do I need to work on "blank"? Answer, you cant work on that hot because...

I am sick of a few myself, but feel bad not helping if it is a safety issue, would be better to refer them to the link.
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Zog, I'd support a 25 ohm FAQ, for sure, and I think I might have addressed it in there somewhere, but I don't remember. (Edit: yeah, here.)

I don't see how the others would work in there for various reasons. "What meter" would look kinda like a big solicitation, I think. The "70E/PPE" one would be hard to summarize, I would think.

If you got something, feel free to start a thread on it and I may include it in the FAQ, just put "FAQ" in the title so I see it.
 
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The arc protector

The arc protector

The arc protector used every where in a house is going to make this subject come up more then you can imagine.
Inspectors have said they are going to be counting outlets per circuit more then ever.
 
buckofdurham said:
The arc protector used every where in a house is going to make this subject come up more then you can imagine.
Inspectors have said they are going to be counting outlets per circuit more then ever.
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What for, an exercise in how high they can count?

Roger
 
Well, everybody knows you can't put more than 5 receptacles on an Arc Fault circuit.

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I'm just kidding!​
 
See, Roger, It's started already. I shouldn't have said any thing about people trying to max out circuits so they don't have to buy as many arc fault breakers.:D
 
buckofdurham said:
See, Roger, It's started already. I shouldn't have said any thing about people trying to max out circuits so they don't have to buy as many arc fault breakers.:D
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Okay, I'm not saying anything else. ;)

Roger
 
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