More GFCI Problems

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bphgravity

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Underwriters Laboratories Advises Consumers Regarding Ground Fault Circuit Interrupters (GFCIs)

NORTHBROOK, Ill., - Nov. 30, 2007 - Recent testing by Underwriters Laboratories (UL) of samples obtained from both the marketplace and several manufacturers indicates that some GFCI units do not meet all current UL requirements and, under rare conditions, may not trip when a fault is present, resulting in a loss of protection from electric shock.

There have been no reported incidences of these products causing injury in the field, and under normal circumstances UL expects these products will perform their intended function. While GFCIs provide an effective means for protecting against electric shock, UL recommends that they be tested regularly to verify they are operating properly, using the self-test feature that is built into these devices. UL encourages users to test and monitor their GFCIs using the process described below.

UL has notified all manufacturers identified to date whose product samples did not meet all current UL requirements so that they may take appropriate action. UL has not withdrawn its certification mark from existing products nor does UL believe the products should be removed from homes or other locations entailing normal use.

UL may issue further advice as additional testing is conducted and its review proceeds.

Name of Product: Wall receptacle-type Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter (GFCI). Rated 15 or 20 Amps, 125 volts.

Advisory: Under rare conditions, these GFCIs may not trip when a fault is present and may malfunction resulting in a loss of protection from electric shock. There have been no reported incidences of the products causing injury in the field.

Identification: Ground Fault Circuit Interrupters look like duplex receptacles but are distinguished by their "Reset" and "Test" buttons.

Uninstalled Product: All affected manufacturers identified to date have been notified. Retailers, contractors and electricians should contact the manufacturer for further information.

Installed GFCIs: If the GFCI is already installed in your home, UL recommends that all GFCIs be tested monthly following these steps:

Push the "Reset" button located on the GFCI receptacle first to assure normal GFCI operation.
Plug a product (such as a lamp) into the GFCI receptacle and turn the product "ON."
Push the "Test" button located on the GFCI receptacle. The lamp or other appliance should go "OFF."
Push the "Reset" button, again. The lamp or other appliance should go "ON" again.
Repeat this test with the lamp or other appliance plugged into a receptacle marked "GFCI Protected" in close proximity to the GFCI receptacle. Push the "Test" button again and the lamp should go off.
In addition to the monthly test, UL recommends that GFCIs installed in environments with both sustained high temperatures (greater than 90?F) AND high humidity (greater than 93% relative humidity) be tested with greater frequency. These environments may include some bathrooms and indoor pool areas.

UL recommends that the GFCI be replaced by a qualified electrician if:

The lamp or other appliance plugged into the GFCI remains "ON" when the "Test" button is pushed.
The GFCI does not reset when the "Reset" button is pushed.
The GFCI performs its intended function, but trips repeatedly during normal use. (This may indicate either a faulty appliance or a compromised GFCI. In either case, replacement of the GFCI is recommended and the appliance should be checked for proper operation prior to reuse.)
Finally, with all GFCIs, it is important that consumers not use the unit's "Test" and "Reset" buttons as an on-off switch for appliances plugged in to the GFCI.

UL urges consumers to continue to use GFCIs, as they play an important role in protecting you and your homes. If your GFCIs require replacement, UL recommends that a qualified electrician does the replacement.
 

mxslick

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Same old song and dance..

Same old song and dance..

It really annoys me no end that the CPSC and UL both have a habit of issuing such bulletins without being specific on manufacturers involved or what exactly the issue is...

In the christmas light recall a few years back (see http://www.electrical-contractor.net/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/148542/page/2#Post148542) I wrote to both and never got any answer as to what the problems were. I still have those light sets, they still work and are used outdoors on a GFCI that has never tripped.

Has anyone had any info on which GFCI's have problems? I've installed four here at my apt. and several more at family and friend's homes.
 

al hildenbrand

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Minnesota
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Electrical Contractor, Electrical Consultant, Electrical Engineer
some GFCI units do not meet all current UL requirements and, under rare conditions, may not trip
There have been no reported incidences of the products causing injury in the field.
UL urges consumers to continue to use GFCIs
UL recommends that they be tested regularly
In my opinion, this is the tip of the iceberg.

Manufacturer's quality control is REAL world, not the hyper accurate 100% no-one-will-ever-experience-a-problem goal of the thinking that has brought us things like the arc fault circuit interrupter.

This Bulletin is, IMO, classic CYA. "Everything is not perfect. Some things won't work right. You may have a difficulty. We're warning you." [SOUND EFFECT] Washing of hands [/SOUND EFFECT]

I'll bet this is a trial balloon for the AFCI bulletin.
 

gndrod

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Ca and Wa
Afciceburg

Afciceburg

The Combination Afci-Gfci combined in the SA dining breakfast nook setup is going to be a fair test to how the 210.12...210.52 is going to harmonics-ize between operating appliances back to the main bus. After a conversation back at one mfr test center, there isn't even a test on how gas-igniter circuits are going to play. I tried getting one of the first 400 produced and the chief test manager didn't have one to give for outside testing.
Same story from what you mention. This is going to be a seat-of-the-pants first year coming up. It really makes writing a little dicey as to what is and what really is going to pan out. rbj
 
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