Motor Starter Sizes w MCP Combo Starter

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I am trying to get a better understanding of motor starters. The objective is to create an Excel tool to faster review engineering drawings. Often times, I see NEMA size 2 starters feeding a 5hp motor through a MCP combo starter. The OLR is set correctly but the trip setting of the MCP exceeds the 1100% outlined in article 430 for design B motors.

When my motor is rated X hp, I look up the FLA in T430.250. These currents are not equal to the continuous amps ratings shown in the NEMA starter size table. Starters must be capable of handling the LRC, so I’d always go by hp when looking at a starter. Many corporations have their own standards and require minimum starter sizes. Let me say, the corporate standard requires min. Size 1. This is a problem when trying to feed a 0.5hp dosing pump through a MCP. Did anybody run into similar challenge? It’s hard to program something with so many inconsistencie.
 
Most MCC mfrs will no longer sell you any starter bucket smaller than a Size 1 now anyway.

But the MCP size does make a difference, it is selected differently when you order a starter for a 1/2HP motor than a 10HP motor even though both would get a Size 1 starter, so if you are seeing some that are too big, it's likely that the starters were bought for a larger motor and someone adapted them without thinking to check the MCPs.
 
Most MCC mfrs will no longer sell you any starter bucket smaller than a Size 1 now anyway.

But the MCP size does make a difference, it is selected differently when you order a starter for a 1/2HP motor than a 10HP motor even though both would get a Size 1 starter, so if you are seeing some that are too big, it's likely that the starters were bought for a larger motor and someone adapted them without thinking to check the MCPs.
Makes sense to me what you are seeing. I reviewed the vendor’s doc and they showed specific MCP ratings assigned to bucket sizes.
But I guess, I will need something that is not shown in their catalogue then. Like a size 1 with a 3amp MCP. Thanks for your help!
 
When every I have ordered buckets I have specified the motor horsepower so the correct size of MCP is provided. This applied to both a single bucket or a complete MCC with multiple buckets.
 
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