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mickeyrench

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i am at a comany that has a few conveyor systems that use 3 phase motors @ differant voltages 208- 480 v. most are 1/2 hp and are computer contolled and use a / b speed controllers. they are sized according to the size of the motors. in the 3 weeks i'm there i have seen 5 motors replaced because of over heating and burned up. also the condition of the control cabinets are in bad shape from the coating from the production area getting all over the vfd's contactors . can this be a cause for motor failures?
 
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Sounds as though you have multiple issues going on here.

  • As mentioned, motors run from VFDs will overheat much more easily if they are not designed specifically for that task. Most motors that are not designed for "inverter duty" (a non-defined term, but useful for the moment), are typically only going to be capable of a 2:1 turn down, meaning they can run at 1/2 speed effectively. Any lower than that and they no longer are able to keep themselves cool.
  • When you turn the speed down with a VFD you are turning down the HP at the same rate, even though the torque remains the same (theoretically). If you do not reduce the load on the motor, you will overload it. Usually this just means the Overload Protection in the VFD will trip it off-line. But if not properly programmed, you can smoke the motor first. Check your drive programming.
  • You mentioned "contactors" with your drive. That is rarely a good idea. can you explain how they are being used? Are you sure they are Drives and not Soft Starters? If they are Soft Starters, many of the smaller A-B products did NOT come with overloads, yet often times salesmen didn't know that and/or failed to mention that they needed to be externally provided. That would explain the burnouts.
  • Dirt and contamination in a control cabinet is never good, but wouldn't likely lead to motor burnout unless it interferes with a contactor opening when tripped. But that would also prevent normal shut-downs as well.
 
Jraef said:
Sounds as though you have multiple issues going on here.
  • As mentioned, motors run from VFDs will overheat much more easily if they are not designed specifically for that task. Most motors that are not designed for "inverter duty" (a non-defined term, but useful for the moment), are typically only going to be capable of a 2:1 turn down, meaning they can run at 1/2 speed effectively. Any lower than that and they no longer are able to keep themselves cool.
  • When you turn the speed down with a VFD you are turning down the HP at the same rate, even though the torque remains the same (theoretically). If you do not reduce the load on the motor, you will overload it. Usually this just means the Overload Protection in the VFD will trip it off-line. But if not properly programmed, you can smoke the motor first. Check your drive programming.
  • You mentioned "contactors" with your drive. That is rarely a good idea. can you explain how they are being used? Are you sure they are Drives and not Soft Starters? If they are Soft Starters, many of the smaller A-B products did NOT come with overloads, yet often times salesmen didn't know that and/or failed to mention that they needed to be externally provided. That would explain the burnouts.
  • Dirt and contamination in a control cabinet is never good, but wouldn't likely lead to motor burnout unless it interferes with a contactor opening when tripped. But that would also prevent normal shut-downs as well.

Inverter rated motors differ very little from standard motors as far as thermal design.

The turndown ratio represents the full speed and the minimum speed ratio. The turndown ratio will be different for constant torque and variable torque applications for the same inverter rated motors. Inverter rated motors are commonly rated 20:1 variable and 10:1 constant torque application. Ex.:3600:180rpm or 3600:360rpm respectively. External fans can be added to maintain high airflow at low speed if you wish to operate outside the above parameters. This hardly addresses all the other considerations that need to be reviewed.

The equipment manufacturer of the conveyor belt needs to make sure that the maximum needed torque is calculated for the maximum amount of product to be carried. (It may be that the user tries to operate the conveyor beyond its design limit and conveys lead instead of oatmeal.)

The distance between the motor and the drive could be critical, especially if you are not using ASD rated motors. The type of cable and the carrier frequency could also be a source of trouble that can cause the winding to fail, not thermally due to overheating but the buildup of voltage spikes.

The control mode of the drive also need to suit the application.

If the drive is required to 'hold' the load, it can wreck havoc on the bearings. Shaft circulating currents can further aggravate this condition. Some motors do not take kindly to belt driven applications so if that is the case the Motor Manufacturer needs to know.

Make sure that the motor winding - in the case of multivolt application - is connected to the proper voltage.
 
i heard that they lost another 1/2 hp motor last night. maintenance mech. never mentions about resetting overloads but does say that he replaced a couple of fuses on one unit. i have to get a look at there systems setup to explain better
i don't know if their using drives or soft starters.
 
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If it is a drive, then the OL would likely be built-in (depending on the age).

But if he is having to replace fuses, I seriously doubt it is a drive because fuse replacement would likely mean a catastrophic failure of the drive. So that again points to it being a soft start. TECHNICALLY you can use fuses as OL protection for small motors, but I have NEVER seen that work out very well and I would never consider doing that when a soft start is involved. You need both fuses (or a breaker) and an OL relay. Post the part number if you are not sure.
 
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