MOVE THE OCPD OUT OF THE ELEVATOR MECHANICAL ROOM ??

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stuartdmc

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We had an elevator installer/provider on site installing the elevator equipment today and is asking us to remove the "Panel" housing the main OCPD, and the elevator SHUNT TRIP OCPD from the panel which is in the elevator room.
I'll back up. we have a transformer converting the power from 240v 3 phase to the required 120/208v 3 phase power to operate the elevator and cab lighting, the engineer had the transformer in the elevator room with the secondary OCPD for the panel in the elevator room. Inside the panel we have the circuit breakers for the pit and cab lighting as well as the shunt trip OCPD for the elevator. Well, the installer /provider wants the transformer and the elevator panel removed from the room. The electrician removed the transformer to just outside of the room but left the panel in the room. now the installer want the main OCPD (secondary transformer OCPD MCB) and the shunt trip circuit breaker out of the panel and out of the room . He is saying that those two breakers can not be in the room?
That the panel can stay with the cab and pit circuit breakers, but not the other two mains.

Is this guy "High"ly Confused? or are we missing something here.

Thanks.
 
I pretty sure elevator machine rooms are only for equipment pertaining directly to the elevator. Id say the shunt trip (assuming its for fire alarm shutdown) could stay but might agree with him on the rest. At least that is my local code.
 
Flex said:
I pretty sure elevator machine rooms are only for equipment pertaining directly to the elevator. Id say the shunt trip (assuming its for fire alarm shutdown) could stay but might agree with him on the rest. At least that is my local code.
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I agree that anything foreign to the elevator should not be in the room, the OCPD is to protect the elevator panel from the transformation which provides power to the elevator, (this isn't foreign) and the elevator shunt trip circuit breaker how is that foreign? it's the main for the elevator.
 
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I agree that anything foreign to the elevator should not be in the room, the OCPD is to protect the elevator panel from the transformation which provides power to the elevator, (this isn't foreign) and the elevator shunt trip circuit breaker how is that foreign? it's the main for the elevator.
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From what you describe I would say all are allowed in the room with the possible exception the transformer but only because it may be an issue with it's heat.

A lot of times I see elevator installers going by what they "have always seen done" in lieu of what's actual code.

Roger
 
Elevator guy is right. The "elevator code," which is enforced by the fire marshall, is quite clear on the point.

NOTHING is allowed in the elevator room except elevator stuff. Period.

Elevators require 'elevator rooms.' The stuff can't just be shoehorned into a 'mechanical room.'

The matter is rather well enforced, as elevators typically have annual license inspections. This differs from our stuff, which gets inspected but once. The result is that our stuff gets buried by stored janitor supplies and seasonal decorations.
 
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