I'm not sure how universal the term is but I have a "mud room" with 3 walk-thru doors, one to the outside, one to the garage and the third leading into a kitchen. Normally these are more like a hallway but on this residence the room area is approximately 8 x 10 and can easily accommodate some type of furniture or appliance. What would you require in the way of receptacles for such a room ?
"Mud Room" Receptacles
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Could this be considered a foyer? If so then I would probably use 210.52(I)
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I believe if the plans call it a mud room then it is just that. I would then look at it as a hall area even though it says mud room.
jumper
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I would say it is a habitable room despite the 3 doors. I believe that the IRC says min 7' x 10'.
Standard room wall spacing for recs IMO.
PS. Don't listen to Dennis - it ain't a foyer.
Standard room wall spacing for recs IMO.
PS. Don't listen to Dennis - it ain't a foyer.
I'm not trying to be a smart***, but if the plans say "____ room" how do we say "hall".
jumper
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please elaborate
For a room to be considered habitable, the IRC says the room dimensions can be no less than 7' x 10'.
R304.1 Minimum area.
Every dwelling unit shall have at least one habitable room that shall have not less than 120 square feet (11 m2) of gross floor area.
R304.2 Other rooms.
Other habitable rooms shall have a floor area of not less than 70 square feet (6.5 m2).
Exception: Kitchens.
R304.3 Minimum dimensions.
Habitable rooms shall not be less than 7 feet (2134 mm) in any horizontal dimension.
Exception: Kitchens.
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Those areas are necessary for room that is a habitable room, but I don't think that alone makes a room a habitable room. It also depends on what the planned use for the room is. Just because a bathroom or mechanical room is 7 x10 doesn't make them habitable rooms. In my opinion a mud room isn't a habitable room. People don't normally hang out in the mud room. If they do, then it is probably not really a mud room. I would go along with those that treat the mud room like a hallway or possibly a foyer. For me, that is what most closely resembles how this space is used.
From the IRC Chapter 2: "Habitable Space. A space in a building for living, sleeping, eating or cooking. Bathrooms, toilet rooms, closets, halls, storage or utility spaces and similar areas are not considered habitable spaces."
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mgookin
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Look at the definition of "habitable" in that code. It's a sleeping room if nothing changed in the past 15 years.
I'd call a mud room a room that needs receptacles.
I'd call a mud room a room that needs receptacles.
Sorry, I was editing my post above to add the IRC definition while you were posting
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Isn't a mud room a place where you prepare mud pies? Therefore a kitchen.
jumper
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Carultch
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Isn't a mud room a place where you prepare mud pies? Therefore a kitchen.
No, a mudroom is a place for someone to come in from the outside after being all full of mud, hang up your coat, have a carpet-free and possibly private space to remove soiled shoes/clothes, and have a carpet-free a path to the first accessible bathroom when nature calls upon entry and for cleaning up the mud.
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Isn't a mud room a place where you prepare mud pies? Therefore a kitchen.
I thought that was the bathroom.
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Isn't a mud room a place where you prepare mud pies? Therefore a kitchen.
pay no attention to him. he's from california, and anyone from california KNOWS that the
mud room is where the landslide ended up after the rain.
he's new.
in california, the mudroom looks like this, and doesn't need an outlet, it needs a backhoe.
and if the size of the mud room isn't right, be patient. the mud will blow out two walls
before it drops the entire thing.
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