Multifamily Dwelling

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If a motel rooms have permanent cooking facilitities are they multifamily dwellings? According to the inspector they are commercial buildings, not multifamily. Just curious. Thanks
 
According to article 100, a motel room as you described would be considered a dwelling unit.
As there is more than one such unit, it may very well be called a multifamily dwelling(MFD)..again, Article 100.

The common areas in such locations may be considered "commercial" areas.

However, I fail to see your question?
What type of inspector is questioning what type of work?
 
Multifamily dwelling

Multifamily dwelling

The electrical inspector insists it is a commercial building and table 310-15(B(6) cannot be used for sizing service conductors.
 
I agree with Celtic on this one. This is a dwelling unit, of the multi-family variety. I predicate that statement on the presumption that the "permanent cooking facilities" consist of stoves and/or ovens, and not just microwave ovens. I could see how an Inspector might not give you credit for microwaves.
 
While NOT enforceable, the commentary following 310.16(B) in the '05 NECH would seem to support the OP's position here:

For the 2005 Code, only editorial changes were made to 310.15(B)(6). If a single set of 3-wire, single-phase, service entrance conductors in raceway or cable supplies a onefamily, two-family, or multifamily dwelling, the reduced conductor size permitted by 310.15(B)(6) is applicable to the service-entrance conductors, service-lateral conductors, or any feeder conductors that supply the main power feeder to a dwelling unit.

Section 310.15(B)(6) permits the main feeder to a dwelling unit to be sized according to the conductor sizes in Table 310.15(B)(6) even if other loads, such as ac units and pool Exhibit 310.8 Another application of 310.15(B)(6). loads, are fed from the same service. The feeder conductors to a dwelling unit are not required to be larger than its service-entrance conductors.
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Coupled with Article 100, IMHO, the OP is correct here.


Did you ask the inspector how he arrived at the conclusion this property was "commercial" and not "dwelling"?
This seems to be where the inspector is making his point.
 
Multi-family

Multi-family

Yes I did ask how he arrived at the motel being a commercial building and he pretty much said "that's my determination, live with it". Interesting enough I was a state electrical inspector and still am certified but I was just trying to understand his logic. Oh well, I'll live with it and size conductors accordingly.
 
iam14sure said:
he pretty much said "that's my determination, live with it"..... Interesting enough I was a state electrical inspector
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You must know the people over him...they might be interested to know that he is "making it up as goes along".
What's next?
Staples every 2', #12 on a 15A for no good cause?

iam14sure said:
Oh well, I'll live with it and size conductors accordingly.
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As long as your willing to pay the price.
 
iam14sure,
Are you supplying two 20 amp small appliance circuits in the kitchen and AFCI protected circuits for the bedroom?
Don
 
Multi Family dwelling

Multi Family dwelling

Actually the motel is a 6 units in one building. It is an existing building, they added PTAC units and I am just updating the service.
 
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