Name plate info on an A/C unit

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Well I have run into numerous problems with nameplate ratings on A/C units. The plan says one thing and then when the unit arrives its a diffrent story. What we have done is I told my Foreman to only run the appropriate conduit untill the unit shows up. That way when the namplate says we need to fuse the unit at 25 amps instead of the 20 the engineer has inputed on the plan we can install the correct conductor size.

Well on the job we are currently working on the General had a meeting with my foreman and had us put all the owner changes on a plan as well as the max fuse /or circuit breaker ratings for the installed A/C units. The nameplates state 30 amps max fuse or circuit breaker. The Engineer is insisting on following her plan and installing 40 amp circuit breakers and fuses to allow for start up aperage. I always thought that the manufaturer nameplates already had this factored in, is that correct or have I been wrong all these years? I have never had a problem with a unit not starting and tripping breakers when I used the Max ratings on the nameplate. Is there a code section that would back up my argument where the nameplate rating superceed her circuiting??? I have been looking at 440.4 but the last portion of the explanation is confusing me a bit.

In my NEC 2005 handbook there is a paragraph that reads:

When a brach-circuit selection current is marked on a nameplate, it must be used instead of the rated-load current to determine the size of the disconnecting means, the controller , motor branch-circuit conductors and the overcurrent protective devices for the branch circuit devices and motor. The value of branch circuit selection current is always greater than the marked rated-load current.
 
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If the nameplate says max. fuse or CB that is what I always use.However, 440.22(A) -- 175% of the comp. load is max unless this is proven to be not sufficient for the starting of the unit then you may 225% of the motor rated load current or branch cir. selection current, whichever is greater.

How does one determine if it is sufficient or not, I am not sure but it seems you must start at the nameplate.
 
georgeswe said:
The nameplates state 30 amps max fuse or circuit breaker. The Engineer is insisting on following her plan and installing 40 amp circuit breakers and fuses to allow for start up aperage. I was told that the manufaturer nameplates already had this fatored in.

The name plate information includes the % increase for start up. You may
not exceed the nameplate OC requirements. If the nameplate says 30
amps, then you can not use a 40 amp breaker unless the 30 amp
will not allow the unit to start.
 
georgeswe said:
...The nameplates state 30 amps max fuse or circuit breaker. The Engineer is insisting on following her plan and installing 40 amp circuit breakers and fuses to allow for start up aperage. ...

I've always sized conductors for minimum and over current for maximum. If the nameplate reads MAX 30 amp, then that is the max. to use.
 
I'm a little surprised that this causes so much confusion. Bottom line is that the EC has to install a code compliant installation. If the unit says, for example, 20 amps min. and 30 amps max. the OCPD can be any size from 20 to 30 amps.
 
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