NEC 210.52(E)(3) - Hotel

[cdcengineer]

I have a project where there are balconies / decks outside of each guest suite (which have permanent provisions for cooking - making them subject to the requirements of dwelling units). Per the definition (and handbook commentary) of dwelling unit, hotel rooms "could" be classified as dwelling units if they satisfy the requirements of the definition. "Could" be classified certainly doesn't say the same thing as must be classified, but in reading the commentary, it leads me to believe that time share type hotel rooms which are equipped full full kitchens must be laid out per 210.52 while understanding that receptacle placement can be juggled a bit per 210.18 & 210.60 (to accommodate furniture layout).

Anyway, if the decks are not at grade level do they still require a receptacle per 210.52(E)(3)? It seems unnecessary in this instance because these are not residential balconies. Could be a big savings if the owner's are allowed to delete. We will be meeting with the AHJ tomorrow, but I thought I'd see what the consensus is from the shark-tank / MH forum members.

By the way, the decks are greater than 20 square-ffet although I belivee that requirement dissappeared after 2008.

Thanks,

DC

 

[gadfly56]

I have a project where there are balconies / decks outside of each guest suite (which have permanent provisions for cooking - making them subject to the requirements of dwelling units). Per the definition (and handbook commentary) of dwelling unit, hotel rooms "could" be classified as dwelling units if they satisfy the requirements of the definition. "Could" be classified certainly doesn't say the same thing as must be classified, but in reading the commentary, it leads me to believe that time share type hotel rooms which are equipped full full kitchens must be laid out per 210.52 while understanding that receptacle placement can be juggled a bit per 210.18 & 210.60 (to accommodate furniture layout).

Anyway, if the decks are not at grade level do they still require a receptacle per 210.52(E)(3)? It seems unnecessary in this instance because these are not residential balconies. Could be a big savings if the owner's are allowed to delete. We will be meeting with the AHJ tomorrow, but I thought I'd see what the consensus is from the shark-tank / MH forum members.

By the way, the decks are greater than 20 square-ffet although I belivee that requirement dissappeared after 2008.

Thanks,

DC

If the suites are classified as residential, how are the balconies non-residential? :?

 

[cdcengineer]

I'm going to assume the classification is R-1 transient in nature. But a recep on the balconies... For what?

 

[John120/240]

I'm going to assume the classification is R-1 transient in nature. But a recep on the balconies... For what?

A lot of apartment complexes with wood decks have disallowed with good reason the use of charcoal grills on said decks. No such restriction for electric grills.