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Mr. Holt -
It was a pleasure attending your ?Changes to the NEC 2014? class in Omaha last week. Please reference NEC section 700.10(D), and specifically the 2014 NEC Handbook?s interpretation. I have a question in regards to NEC section 700.10(D)(1)(1) which states: ?Be installed in spaces or areas that are fully protected by an approved automatic fire suppression system.?.
Here are some NFPA references and excerpts for your general information:
? NEC 2011 Handbook, page 1165 ? ?Sprinkler systems are the most common fire suppression systems, and they are covered in NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems. Buildings that are fully protected by automatic sprinkler systems meet the requirements of 700.10(D).?
? NFPA 13-2007, section 8.1.1 ? ?The requirements for spacing, location, and position of sprinklers shall be based on the following principles:
(1) Sprinklers shall be installed throughout the premises.
(2) Sprinklers shall be located so as not to exceed the maximum protection area per sprinkler.
(3) Sprinklers shall be positioned and located so as to provide satisfactory performance with respect to activation time and distribution.
(4) Sprinklers shall be permitted to be omitted from areas specifically allowed by this standard.
(5) When sprinklers are specifically tested?
(6) Clearance between sprinklers and ceilings?
(7) Furniture, such as portable wardrobe units, cabinets,? ?
? NFPA 13-2007, section 8.15.1.1 ? ?All concealed spaces enclosed wholly or partly by exposed combustible construction shall be protected by sprinklers except in concealed spaces where sprinklers are not required to be installed by 8.15.1.2.1 through 8.15.1.2.16 and 8.15.6.?
8.12.1.2.1 ? Concealed spaces of noncombustible and limited-combustible construction with minimal combustible loading having no access shall not require sprinkler protection.
8.12.1.2.2 ? Concealed spaces of noncombustible and limited-combustible construction with minimal combustible loading with limited access and not permitting occupancy or storage of combustibles shall not require sprinkler protection.
(8.12.1.2.3 through 8.12.1.2.16 detail additional concealed spaces where sprinklers are not required?)
Interestingly, NEC section 700.10(D)(1) has not changed between the 2011 edition and 2014 edition, but the interpretation by the editors of the ?NEC Handbook? appears to have changed in the 2014 edition. Up until now, the general consensus seemed to be that if you had a building that is ?fully sprinklered? per NFPA 13, you could run emergency feeder circuits above a finished ceiling or within vertical shaftways/chases as long as these spaces contained ?minimal combustible loading? (metal ductwork, piping, cable tray, plenum-rated cables, fiberglass insulation, etc.). The Nebraska State Electrical Inspector?s latest interpretation on NEC section 700.10(D)(1) is that emergency feeder cicuits can be run above finished ceilings that do not have sprinkler protection. However, the State Electrical Inspector also said that emergency feeder circuits cannot be run vertically in shaftways/chases unless they are sprinklered (which really does not make sense because the shaftways/chases are almost always rated 1-hr. or 2-hr. construction and sprinkler heads would be extremely difficult to access and maintain).
So the underlying question to all of this is: In a fully sprinklered building per NFPA 13, is it acceptable to install emergency feeder circuits above the finished ceiling space with no additional physical protection or special fire-rating systems and still comply with NEC section 700.10(D)?
Any thoughts you may have on this subject would be greatly appreciated. If you have any questions or would like to discuss this in further detail, please call me.
Thank You,
Dan Michalak, P.E.
It was a pleasure attending your ?Changes to the NEC 2014? class in Omaha last week. Please reference NEC section 700.10(D), and specifically the 2014 NEC Handbook?s interpretation. I have a question in regards to NEC section 700.10(D)(1)(1) which states: ?Be installed in spaces or areas that are fully protected by an approved automatic fire suppression system.?.
Here are some NFPA references and excerpts for your general information:
? NEC 2011 Handbook, page 1165 ? ?Sprinkler systems are the most common fire suppression systems, and they are covered in NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems. Buildings that are fully protected by automatic sprinkler systems meet the requirements of 700.10(D).?
? NFPA 13-2007, section 8.1.1 ? ?The requirements for spacing, location, and position of sprinklers shall be based on the following principles:
(1) Sprinklers shall be installed throughout the premises.
(2) Sprinklers shall be located so as not to exceed the maximum protection area per sprinkler.
(3) Sprinklers shall be positioned and located so as to provide satisfactory performance with respect to activation time and distribution.
(4) Sprinklers shall be permitted to be omitted from areas specifically allowed by this standard.
(5) When sprinklers are specifically tested?
(6) Clearance between sprinklers and ceilings?
(7) Furniture, such as portable wardrobe units, cabinets,? ?
? NFPA 13-2007, section 8.15.1.1 ? ?All concealed spaces enclosed wholly or partly by exposed combustible construction shall be protected by sprinklers except in concealed spaces where sprinklers are not required to be installed by 8.15.1.2.1 through 8.15.1.2.16 and 8.15.6.?
8.12.1.2.1 ? Concealed spaces of noncombustible and limited-combustible construction with minimal combustible loading having no access shall not require sprinkler protection.
8.12.1.2.2 ? Concealed spaces of noncombustible and limited-combustible construction with minimal combustible loading with limited access and not permitting occupancy or storage of combustibles shall not require sprinkler protection.
(8.12.1.2.3 through 8.12.1.2.16 detail additional concealed spaces where sprinklers are not required?)
Interestingly, NEC section 700.10(D)(1) has not changed between the 2011 edition and 2014 edition, but the interpretation by the editors of the ?NEC Handbook? appears to have changed in the 2014 edition. Up until now, the general consensus seemed to be that if you had a building that is ?fully sprinklered? per NFPA 13, you could run emergency feeder circuits above a finished ceiling or within vertical shaftways/chases as long as these spaces contained ?minimal combustible loading? (metal ductwork, piping, cable tray, plenum-rated cables, fiberglass insulation, etc.). The Nebraska State Electrical Inspector?s latest interpretation on NEC section 700.10(D)(1) is that emergency feeder cicuits can be run above finished ceilings that do not have sprinkler protection. However, the State Electrical Inspector also said that emergency feeder circuits cannot be run vertically in shaftways/chases unless they are sprinklered (which really does not make sense because the shaftways/chases are almost always rated 1-hr. or 2-hr. construction and sprinkler heads would be extremely difficult to access and maintain).
So the underlying question to all of this is: In a fully sprinklered building per NFPA 13, is it acceptable to install emergency feeder circuits above the finished ceiling space with no additional physical protection or special fire-rating systems and still comply with NEC section 700.10(D)?
Any thoughts you may have on this subject would be greatly appreciated. If you have any questions or would like to discuss this in further detail, please call me.
Thank You,
Dan Michalak, P.E.
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