Need Help

[Bill Annett]

Hi. I just came from an inspection and saw something that I never saw before. I feel that it is not right, but is it a code violation? Any help would be appreciated. Here is the situation. 2 X 4 luminaries are hung with an Aircraft Cable system, this is not the problem. Their installation looked fine. The problem is that after the light were hung, the store decided to hang a decorative display. In doing so, they drilled a hole and ran their support cable through the Luminaries. What is your opion?

Any code references will be appreciated.

Thanks, Bill

 

[tom baker]

I would call it a violation of 110.3(B), unless the luminaire mfg allows this.
Do these luminaires have a grid diffuser?
I would like to see picture. We have a tradion of odd, unsafe and funny pictures being posted on Fridays.

 

[Bill Annett]

Tom, Thanks for the response. The light has no grid diffuser, it is just open bulbs. I do not think that I could get a good photo of the cable going through the Light fixture. I have about 1 more day until I give my official Pass or Fail.

Thanks Again, Bill

 

[LEO2854]

Hi. I just came from an inspection and saw something that I never saw before. I feel that it is not right, but is it a code violation? Any help would be appreciated. Here is the situation. 2 X 4 luminaries are hung with an Aircraft Cable system, this is not the problem. Their installation looked fine. The problem is that after the light were hung, the store decided to hang a decorative display. In doing so, they drilled a hole and ran their support cable through the Luminaries. What is your opion?

Any code references will be appreciated.

Thanks, Bill

I my opinion you would have to pass The Electricians work since he did not run the support cable through the lights ,,The store it self did so with that I would say that you should pass the Electricians work and order the store to hire an Electrician to remove the support cable they ran and tell them they can not do that because the light fixture is not designed to support their decorative display,,,As Tom said 110.3(B)

 

[btharmy]

Don't punish the electician because of the ignorance of the tennant. If he installed a compliant system, he has no control over what the tennant does with it when he walks away, five minutes later or five years later. I had a customer push a desk and file cabinet against a panel after it was installed. The inspector told me it was a violation and would not pass. I asked him if he honestly thought the desk was there before the panel. "Good point" he said and proceeded to educate the tennant.

 

[Strife]

I'm sure this can go on forever whether is code or not.
Personally I really don't have an opinion regarding that.
But I do have a strong opinion regarding the store owner and the EC. Not gonna say it cause I'll get banned.
Just gonna say: couldn't they WAIT till it passed inspection? That is a little stupid. I always have clients with all kind of ideas and I always stress it to them to thread water till we pass inspection. After the inspection is over and I'm out of there it's their business what they do. But I'd NEVER allow a client to do that before an inspection. Code or not.

Hi. I just came from an inspection and saw something that I never saw before. I feel that it is not right, but is it a code violation? Any help would be appreciated. Here is the situation. 2 X 4 luminaries are hung with an Aircraft Cable system, this is not the problem. Their installation looked fine. The problem is that after the light were hung, the store decided to hang a decorative display. In doing so, they drilled a hole and ran their support cable through the Luminaries. What is your opion?

Any code references will be appreciated.

Thanks, Bill

 

[Bill Annett]

LEO2854, Btharmy and Strife, you make good sense. I will pass the electrical contractors work and I will talk to the people who installed the cable through the Light fixture (luminaire) I am not use to these newer terms. I still size conductor by referring to MCM and I guess I should be saying kcmill.

Thanks to everyone who responded.

Bill

 

[LEO2854]

LEO2854, Btharmy and Strife, you make good sense. I will pass the electrical contractors work and I will talk to the people who installed the cable through the Light fixture (luminaire) I am not use to these newer terms. I still size conductor by referring to MCM and I guess I should be saying kcmill.

Thanks to everyone who responded.

Bill

Fixture is better .

Some day I will learn how to spell "luminaire ":lol::lol:

 

[mjf]

I always have clients with all kind of ideas and I always stress it to them to thread water till we pass inspection. After the inspection is over and I'm out of there it's their business what they do. But I'd NEVER allow a client to do that before an inspection. Code or not.

LMAO.....What do you do? Take away thier keys to the building??? You are an extremely powerful guy if you are able to control people like that. I ask and strongly suggest to clients to hold off until after inspection, but I don't have the power to allow or disallow them to do anything!!

 

[kwired]

LMAO.....What do you do? Take away thier keys to the building??? You are an extremely powerful guy if you are able to control people like that. I ask and strongly suggest to clients to hold off until after inspection, but I don't have the power to allow or disallow them to do anything!!

He possibly has the authority to order the POCO to disconnect the service, may not be wise decision for this particular code issue but if it is a dangerous enough situation it is his responsibility to do so.

 

[cowboyjwc]

Tell the electrician that he passed, but that he's not allowed to energize the fixtures until they are repaired.

I once allowed a large store to energize the main service early so that they could turn on the lights and start stocking. The very next day I showed up and there were pallets stacked up in front of the main gear. I went to the store manager and asked him twice if those were his pallets in front of the panel and both times, with attitude he told me that he was not the electrician and had nothing to do with the panels. I went and found the electrician and just as we were walking past the manager, I told him to send his people home because we were going back to turn off the power, because of our agreement that any violations would result in the main being locked off until the job was complete. All of a sudden the pallets were his and he was more that willing to move them, but I told him that I had already given him two chances and he chose to ignore me. As we were walking back, the electrician asked if I was really going to turn off the power, and I told him no but that he had just gotten the best present that I could ever give him, because he was going to tell strore managment that he had talked me out of doing it and the only reason I hadn't done it was because of him.:happyyes:

If you don't have a good hand, bluff.:angel:

 

[tom baker]

Fixture is better .

Some day I will learn how to spell "luminaire ":lol::lol:

The fixtures are in the bathroom...

 

[Strife]

If the permit is tied with a building permit I don't call the inspection. That's one way.
But what works best is painting a nasty picture of inspectors, by the time I'm done the customer has nightmares about inspectors.

LMAO.....What do you do? Take away thier keys to the building??? You are an extremely powerful guy if you are able to control people like that. I ask and strongly suggest to clients to hold off until after inspection, but I don't have the power to allow or disallow them to do anything!!

 

[mjf]

No disrespect was intended. Just struck me as funny. I do like the painting the inspector up as "the evil stepmother" idea. Never really had to try anything like that, probably because I'm primarily a resi guy.

If the permit is tied with a building permit I don't call the inspection. That's one way.
But what works best is painting a nasty picture of inspectors, by the time I'm done the customer has nightmares about inspectors.

 

[growler]

But I'd NEVER allow a client to do that before an inspection. Code or not.

LMAO.....What do you do? Take away thier keys to the building??? You are an extremely powerful guy if you are able to control people like that. I ask and strongly suggest to clients to hold off until after inspection, but I don't have the power to allow or disallow them to do anything!!

To Allow a customer or GC to do something with your electrical work before inspection and payment would be to give your permission.

I see nothing wrong with what "Strife" said.

You can't physically control people but you can controll the amount of tampering with your work by contract. If someone were to drill a hole in one of my fixtures they just bought themselves a fixture. They just voided any warranty. If you were to "allow" them to drill a hole in the fixture there would be no reason to void the warranty.