Puckdrop 31
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- retired electrician
Was it ever ok with the nec for the neutrals and egc to be under the same lug in panelboard ? If so when ?
Neutral and EGC IN Panel
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ptonsparky
Tom
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It was done, but in ignorance. Panels were notorious for not having enough space for neutrals and EGs. EG bars were special order. That hasn’t been a problem for quite some time though.
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I used to do it in service panelboards. We all thought it was legal because you were allowed to put two conductors in the same hole on the buss.
electrofelon
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I learned to do it that way. Years in, I started getting into learning code more, and told my boss it was a code violation. I dont think he changed.
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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I never did it because, early on, I developed the habit of terminating EGCs first, neutrals second, hots last.
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That is when the wording was added to the NEC, it was a UL listing requirement for the panelboard for decades before that.
Yes I am aware of that thank you. I was simply adding to the conversation as to when it was added to the NEC if anyone was interested.
ptonsparky
Tom
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Most of us didn't have any idea what UL required.
Fred B
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Nor looked for underlying implications of multiple neutral taps. Seen many old panels that were such a mess, (certainly handiman hack job) determining with even a mild certainty a single complete circuit was almost impossible. And compounding that was multiple neutral under single screw lug, and then try to find the second circuit to shut down to safely remove the one with the panel in that condition. One such one, recently opened cover and couldn't be sure there even was a neutral bus to look at the mess, and that was without any AFCI/GFCI pigtails.
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