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I install receptacles with neutral up when horizontal in box. My foreman said this is a code requirement in article 110 and has been for 8 years. Is this true I'm not seeing in 110? Thanks
 
zcanyonboltz said:
I install receptacles with neutral up when horizontal in box. My foreman said this is a code requirement in article 110 and has been for 8 years. Is this true I'm not seeing in 110? Thanks
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It is a good idea , absolutely not a code requirement.

The theory is that something conductive falling on the blade of the cord does not generally become live. Only a theory.
 
Your foreman needs to provide with a code reference. Don't hold your breath waiting for one. :)
 
Thanks.....he just said its in 110...I am reluctant to question him...kinda like keep your head down and work... there are some other things another foreman is telling us about derating wire in conduit that is not correct I can talk about here..again I just let them think they are right not really sure how to tell him he doesn't know what he is telling us.
 
LarryFine said:
I actually prefer the hot up, especially outdoors.
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Please elaborate on this. I prefer hot up when installed in metal boxes, otherwise I usually install receptacles horizontally with the ground pin to the right simply because I think that's how most people grab a grounded plug... right-handed with the ground on the right.

There is absolutely no code or manufacturer requirement either way for neutral up or down, grounds up or down or left or right. It may very well be a job spec however.
 
zcanyonboltz said:
Thanks.....he just said its in 110...I am reluctant to question him...kinda like keep your head down and work... there are some other things another foreman is telling us about derating wire in conduit that is not correct I can talk about here..again I just let them think they are right not really sure how to tell him he doesn't know what he is telling us.
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Very few people know every single code by heart... I certainly don't. I can accept, even welcome questions, and when I'm wrong I can admit that. Not everyone is so forthcoming.

D rating for current carrying conductors is fairly straightforward, only times when it gets messy is with rooftops (depending on code cycle) and if neutrals are current-carrying conductors or not.

Never be afraid of telling someone they are wrong, and never be ashamed of being wrong. no one is born with an NEC book in their mouth...
 
huh:happysad: :roll::ashamed:when I first read the tittle I read it as Neutral, Screws up a Recepticle and was wondering how a neutral could do that
 
zcanyonboltz said:
Thanks.....he just said its in 110...I am reluctant to question him...kinda like keep your head down and work... there are some other things another foreman is telling us about derating wire in conduit that is not correct I can talk about here..again I just let them think they are right not really sure how to tell him he doesn't know what he is telling us.
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That sounds like a good attitude to have. It doesn't really do any harm installing them that way. he's not the first person to think that's a code requirement, and he won't be the last. And there is a good chance he won't like having his knowledge questioned.

Besides, there is always the chance that some local inspector had a strong enough opinion on something like this that it made it into the local code.
 
JFletcher said:
Very few people know every single code by heart... I certainly don't. I can accept, even welcome questions, and when I'm wrong I can admit that. Not everyone is so forthcoming.

D rating for current carrying conductors is fairly straightforward, only times when it gets messy is with rooftops (depending on code cycle) and if neutrals are current-carrying conductors or not.

Never be afraid of telling someone they are wrong, and never be ashamed of being wrong. no one is born with an NEC book in their mouth...
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Thanks....Foreman is telling us that when derate to 80 of conductor ampacity you also have to derate the number of conductors by 80 percent....which makes absolutly no sense to me at all. Table 310.15 (B) (3) (a)
 
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