New 2008 NEC Code today, anyone?

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charlie said:
We are looking at all the fires in the state. If an individual is having a home built and wants the new AFCIs, he may have them installed.

If the expenditure is $1000k total and the total amount saved is $500k and you were virtually assured that there would not be a loss of life, why wouldn't you choose the $500k? What we are talking about is choice not safety. I don't have the real totals and am just throwing out numbers but that is the situation.

The TR receptacles are a different situation. I have no kids at home and do not want TR receptacles. Why should I buy something I don't need if I don't want the? :smile:
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I agree with "Choice". AFCI's are great technology.An added safety,
an insurance if you will.

TR's IMO should be used in Tracts and Apts and not forced without
"choice" when a homeowner wants to remodel or build.

I do'nt do resi but when I remodel my home "again" I will
install AFCI's by "Choice" because I believe in the technology.

I'll have to wait until i remodel "again" because I used MWBC's the last
time. DOH!!:D
 
charlie said:
We are looking at all the fires in the state. If an individual is having a home built and wants the new AFCIs, he may have them installed.

If the expenditure is $1000k total and the total amount saved is $500k and you were virtually assured that there would not be a loss of life, why wouldn't you choose the $500k? What we are talking about is choice not safety. I don't have the real totals and am just throwing out numbers but that is the situation.

The TR receptacles are a different situation. I have no kids at home and do not want TR receptacles. Why should I buy something I don't need if I don't want the? :smile:
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The fact that there are no kids at your home does not mean there will never be kids in that house in the future TR receptacles add minimal cost to the install,but how many injury's are caused by Darwin wannabes sticking things into receptacles?
Onto the AFCI issue, in my opinion the move to AFCI the whole house was rapid, and pushed by the manufacturers of AFCI's and driven by profit.
The average house I work on has about 20 or so circuits that will need AFCI protection when we convert to the 08" cycle ( currently under 05") The $1,000. this adds to the cost of the house is not the issue as much as the breakers make us look like fool's to the customer when we have to explain
why it is not our fault the breaker keeps tripping, it is their faulty vacuum,or what ever appliance they have that trips it, and it doesn't trip it consistently it may only trip every 15th time they use it ? Not that problems in the wiring are never the cause of AFCI's tripping,But when we have to go in and start taking apart the splices and megger checking every wire to rule out that it is not the house wiring, Who should pay? The AFCI manufacturer that made a breaker that sees a non-fault as a fault? Or should it be the vacuum cleaner company for making a vacuum that trips an AFCI circuit ? The home owner, because they bought the "utilization equipment" that is acting in a manner that is suspect to the AFCI ? Or us because we wired the house? Even if it is clear of faults at the time we finalized it ? It is just that the Billions of dollars that are going to be made selling AFCI breakers they should operate without false or nuisance tripping.
OK I'll get off my soap box now.:smile:
 
acrwc10 said:
The fact that there are no kids at your home does not mean there will never be kids in that house in the future TR receptacles add minimal cost to the install,but how many injury's are caused by Darwin wannabes sticking things into receptacles?
Onto the AFCI issue, in my opinion the move to AFCI the whole house was rapid, and pushed by the manufacturers of AFCI's and driven by profit.
The average house I work on has about 20 or so circuits that will need AFCI protection when we convert to the 08" cycle ( currently under 05") The $1,000. this adds to the cost of the house is not the issue as much as the breakers make us look like fool's to the customer when we have to explain
why it is not our fault the breaker keeps tripping, it is their faulty vacuum,or what ever appliance they have that trips it, and it doesn't trip it consistently it may only trip every 15th time they use it ? Not that problems in the wiring are never the cause of AFCI's tripping,But when we have to go in and start taking apart the splices and megger checking every wire to rule out that it is not the house wiring, Who should pay? The AFCI manufacturer that made a breaker that sees a non-fault as a fault? Or should it be the vacuum cleaner company for making a vacuum that trips an AFCI circuit ? The home owner, because they bought the "utilization equipment" that is acting in a manner that is suspect to the AFCI ? Or us because we wired the house? Even if it is clear of faults at the time we finalized it ? It is just that the Billions of dollars that are going to be made selling AFCI breakers they should operate without false or nuisance tripping.
OK I'll get off my soap box now.:smile:
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Well said!
 
I had our secretary call the code office to find out which cycle we are going to and the answer she got was 2002.

Is there anyone on this board from Memphis, TN that can tell me what cycle Shelby CO. has decided to adopt?
 
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