New Jersey Electrical Contractor Exam
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mike johnson
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Relax..
Relax..
Your worried about security and fire alarm questions?
If you understand ohms law this should be like taking candy from a baby. If you have trouble with ohms law i would invest in an alarm book. Barnes and Noble will have what you need.
Relax..
Your worried about security and fire alarm questions?
If you understand ohms law this should be like taking candy from a baby. If you have trouble with ohms law i would invest in an alarm book. Barnes and Noble will have what you need.Controls
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Mike, with all the respect: how can you narrow down the Fire Alarm-(Security) section of the test to just knowing the Ohm Law ?As far as I remember, there were many other questions that had nothing to do with Ohm'a Law. May be, I misunderstood what you were trying to say.Thanks
tonyou812
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When I took it last july they had quite a few questions on the different types of sensors for burgler alarms. Proximity sensors, pressure sensors stuff like that. they also had questions asking you what is the difference between ionization and infrared smoke alarms.
Mark Twenhafel
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The difference between Class I and Class II is relevant and has nothing to do with Ohm's Law.
acwservices
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The National Fire Alarm Code- NFPA 72, will be your friend for this exam.
mike johnson
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You'll pass with a breeze.
You'll pass with a breeze.
IT means if he understands ohms law then he should be able to take this alarm section blind folded with common sense. Allot of electricians don't even know what ohms law mean and are not really taught the trade right. Alot learn in the field only knowing how to pull wire from one box to the next and have high hopes of getting a license. This is the number 1 reason the failure rate after taking an electric exam is huge after Thompson Prometric releases percentage results. It's ridicules.
You'll pass with a breeze.
IT means if he understands ohms law then he should be able to take this alarm section blind folded with common sense. Allot of electricians don't even know what ohms law mean and are not really taught the trade right. Alot learn in the field only knowing how to pull wire from one box to the next and have high hopes of getting a license. This is the number 1 reason the failure rate after taking an electric exam is huge after Thompson Prometric releases percentage results. It's ridicules.
With the new technology and all the "smart" devices, does anyone even know the difference between a class I and class II circuit anymore. Well maybe on the horn circuits. Programming is the trick anymore....Mark Twenhafel said:The difference between Class I and Class II is relevant and has nothing to do with Ohm's Law.
Controls
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I do not think that anybody should take Fire Alarm test ( any test)"lightly". What is the MIN and MAX height for manual pull station ?Unless, an electrician is doing fire alarm/security systems,will not have the answer: The only solution is to study. Answer is very easy, if we know the answer. Test is not hard, however, it requires working knowledge and studying. Common sense only could go so far with some of the questions. I am not picking on anyone, just trying to be realistic.
mike johnson
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He will be fine.
He will be fine.
He will have the answer. Realistic is having the answer in your face to such an easy question. It is labeled easy because the test he will be testing for is open book. Which means the answer is legally accessible in his book during testing. Wow. What more does a person need. However the exam in which he is taking does not allow him to open any book with ohms law in it. He will have ohms law questions on this test. This exam is designed for security and fire alarm specialists. They have to know ohms law and their trade which is strictly alarms. However his state wants the licensed electricians to pass this as well. I can understand why. Why should an electrical contractor be limited and not licensed to do something like low voltage security. I suggested to him in the post that if he does not understand ohms law to access barns and nobles alarm books.
He will be fine.
Controls said:
He will have the answer. Realistic is having the answer in your face to such an easy question. It is labeled easy because the test he will be testing for is open book. Which means the answer is legally accessible in his book during testing. Wow. What more does a person need. However the exam in which he is taking does not allow him to open any book with ohms law in it. He will have ohms law questions on this test. This exam is designed for security and fire alarm specialists. They have to know ohms law and their trade which is strictly alarms. However his state wants the licensed electricians to pass this as well. I can understand why. Why should an electrical contractor be limited and not licensed to do something like low voltage security. I suggested to him in the post that if he does not understand ohms law to access barns and nobles alarm books.
1ajb said:
Not to worry the Jersey test had been dumbed down so much, it is easy to pass, electricians were doing fire alarms long before some of the fire and burg guys were into it, years ago we had to do battery hours calcs, and limited circuit calcs, other then that, you need to know how to collect monthly monitoring fees, and stay current with fire and building codes, actually the engineering of a fire system should be done by a licensed PE, so don't panic, you should do just fine.
Ken9876
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When I took that test 4 yrs ago, there was questions from the code book and questions from the fire alarm code, nothing too hard. However some questions will not be from either book just like in the electrical exam. Those questions come from the other books recommened for study on their web site.
Pierre C Belarge
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One of the most important aspects of the tests that electrical people are taking is two-fold.
1 Time management. If you are aware of how your time management works for the number of questions, you will be much better off.
2. Knowing which books to study from, will be of an immense helpl, as your study time will not be wasted and your confidence during the test will help with your time management.
Mike
Knowing Ohms Law is important, it is not the 'deal breaker' on these tests.
1 Time management. If you are aware of how your time management works for the number of questions, you will be much better off.
2. Knowing which books to study from, will be of an immense helpl, as your study time will not be wasted and your confidence during the test will help with your time management.
Mike
Knowing Ohms Law is important, it is not the 'deal breaker' on these tests.
DJFNEC2005
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I took my test in NJ last year in april. I submerged myself into studying for about 6 months before the exam. I purchased Mike Holts exam prep videos with the prep test book and also attended a prep class right before the exam. By far a good prep class is worth it's cost. They are geared to the types of questions being asked on the exam.
With the time and dedication I put into studying I scored a 92 on NEC, 96on Business & Law and an 84 on the fire alarm portion (I didn't study this area very hard and only put in about 2 weeks of prep).
The reason I mention my scores is because I took the Fire Alarm section lightly during my studying and when I left the testing facility I was not as confident I had passed this section of the test as I was with the NEC & the B&L sections. A lot of people I talked to have difficulty with this part of the exam and it caused them to go back for retest on this part.
The fire Alarm portion of the test is not difficult but can get tricky. First make sure you understand the layout of the book. As mentioned in previous post know your detector types for fire alarm and what detectors are required in what spaces.
For security (and the test should be called Fire & Security) Know the types of contacts there are and what the advantages and disadvantages of each are. Battery types advantages and disadvantages of each. Sensor types which ones are best for what areas (ex..areas with a lot of light or areas with excessive heat). And of course Ohms Law is a must for things like voltage drop.
Good Luck and with enough studying you will not feel like you are racing against the clock to complete each section.
With the time and dedication I put into studying I scored a 92 on NEC, 96on Business & Law and an 84 on the fire alarm portion (I didn't study this area very hard and only put in about 2 weeks of prep).
The reason I mention my scores is because I took the Fire Alarm section lightly during my studying and when I left the testing facility I was not as confident I had passed this section of the test as I was with the NEC & the B&L sections. A lot of people I talked to have difficulty with this part of the exam and it caused them to go back for retest on this part.
The fire Alarm portion of the test is not difficult but can get tricky. First make sure you understand the layout of the book. As mentioned in previous post know your detector types for fire alarm and what detectors are required in what spaces.
For security (and the test should be called Fire & Security) Know the types of contacts there are and what the advantages and disadvantages of each are. Battery types advantages and disadvantages of each. Sensor types which ones are best for what areas (ex..areas with a lot of light or areas with excessive heat). And of course Ohms Law is a must for things like voltage drop.
Good Luck and with enough studying you will not feel like you are racing against the clock to complete each section.
mike johnson
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Study ohms law.
Study ohms law.
Study ohms law.
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DJFNEC2005
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You all make great points in your comments. You could possibly pass the test without learning ohms law. It just means you need to be better prepared in all the other areas. You will have ohms law questions on the NEC exam & Fire exam. There are about 4 different tests handed out at the facility on test day. The guy next to you most likely will have a different test than yours. The test I had from what I recall had a lot of questions about voltage drop and other general ohms law questions.
The way I see it is ohms law is not that difficult to learn. They only ask general ohms law questions that can be calculated quickly and easily and you know you got the answer right. If you answer all of the ohms law questions you can be more flexible on other questions you are having a hard time with. Ohms law is part of our industry and everyone should at the very least have a basic understanding of it.
Just my thoughts on it....Again, Good Luck and study hard. You will thank yourself for it when you get the "You Passed" letter in the mail.
The way I see it is ohms law is not that difficult to learn. They only ask general ohms law questions that can be calculated quickly and easily and you know you got the answer right. If you answer all of the ohms law questions you can be more flexible on other questions you are having a hard time with. Ohms law is part of our industry and everyone should at the very least have a basic understanding of it.
Just my thoughts on it....Again, Good Luck and study hard. You will thank yourself for it when you get the "You Passed" letter in the mail.
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