New "slick romex," great but....

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peter d

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I recently installed some of the new slick 6/3 Romex brand stuff. They are right, it does pull easier, but the jacket on it was paper thin and would tear at the slighest bit of resistance. I ended up having to tape it in a few spots.

The 14 and 12 seems ok, it just seems like they really skimped on this particular run of 6/3.

Other than that I think the stuff is great. :)
 
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No I didn't, I used listed electrical tape that I bought from a listed store, which I drove to in my listed truck on a listed road in a listed town in a listed state in a listed country. So there!!! :p :p
 
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It is okay to tape the sheath. Whew, that was close Peter. ;)

See what Gill Moniz of NEMA and Dave Mercier of SouthWire Corporation have to say about it.

The following is from this IAEI Chapter Meeting this was originally posted by don_resqcapt19 awhile back.


When Gil visited us previously, he made a splash by noting that the transparent nylon covering THHN/THWN, while arguably making them sexy compared to THW, is not required to maintain the conductor's dielectric properties. Therefore, if in the course of installation the nylon suffers the odd nick, or unsightly run, or even is scraped off, the conductor is fine so long as the insulation underneath remains intact. Learning this much, we had to have Dave over for more of the story.

Unless conductors are exposed to gasoline or oil, or submerged for an extended period we're talking many months--the nylon covering offers strictly a mechanical protection, Dave explained, with the underlying PVC supplying the dielectric properties as Gil had told us. The nylon actually is stripped away for the UL acceptance test. Therefore, if the nylon is scraped off, but the plastic underneath is intact, an appropriate response usually is "Good; it's done its job," and a green tag.

It's not just the nylon covering on THHN/THWN, we learned, but the sheaths on cable assemblies also often are optional. A cable installer nicked the sheath of a nonmetallic cable installed in a dry indoor location, and responded in a curious way: he turned the cable so the nick faced toward the wall. Not a bad response, Dave opined (while not wholeheartedly endorsing); this way, people glancing at it in passing wouldn't be unnecessarily concerned.


You may detect from this that Dave is quite an engaging speaker; moreover he's one with 19 years' product and Code experience under his belt to give plenty of clout to the information.

Damage is not necessarily limited solely to cable sheaths, of course. If a cable appears damaged, Dave recommends cutting a window in the sheath so you can examine the conductor insulation beneath. If that's good, you can "reinstall the window."

What should you do when you do want to, or need to, repair a cable sheath? Vinyl tape does just fine, Dave said, except in a wet location, and self-sealing mastic tape does even better. Best is a layer of self-fusing tape covered by a layer of vinyl. It even can be used outdoors on UF or SE cable, so long as it is not buried. For that, you need the sealing coverings that come with a Listed underground splice kit.

Art asked whether NM or SE cable repaired in this way still meets the UL standard. Dave commented that it is tough to say. There needs to be a dialogue between the manufacturer, AHJ, and installer. A qualified installer of repair materials should be able to make a repair acceptable to the AHJ, and Southwire's warranty will remain in effect. "Qualified?" Jim Wooten asked. "Someone who has received certified training in using the material, either in an apprenticeship class, or continuing education such as is offered by tape manufacturers." Even damaged Medium Voltage cable remains warrantied, so long as the shielded jacket, which is there for mechanical protection like that of MC, is fixed using a Listed repair kit installed by a qualified person.

We hope to co-sponsor such a class with 3M or Raychem or some such organization.
Roger

[ July 08, 2005, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
 
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Thanks Roger. I remember reading that here but I had no idea where to find it so I could repost it. :)
 
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With tongue in cheek, the only thing I disagree with Dave Mercier about is the need to repair the occasional nicked NM sheath in the first place.(As I recall, he generally thinks so too) The sheath provides neither mechanical protection nor insulation. Its sole purpose is to keep the conductors in close proximity to each other to minimize inductance.

If the individual conductor insulation isn't damaged and they are suitable for the location, there is no real technical nor actual safety reason to do much of anything toward repairing a sheath.

Twisting most Table 310.13 conductors (including an EGC, if necessary) and otherwise meeting the Table's "Application Provisions" to approximately a 2-1/2 to 3 inch lay would provide equivalent performance and safety. It's just much easier to install a pre-assembled construction.
 
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First let me say great post Roger. I no longer have to hang my head in shame, I can point at my taped repairs and say the fine folks at Southwire told me to. It would be easier if they just gave a free roll of tape with every roll of Romex. For some reason they don't seem to highlight this as a fix at Southwire's web site. But now that I have copied the information they can't deny it. I still don't see how they get around 334.116 (A) Type NM . The overall covering " shall be " flame retardant and moisture resistant. I wish they would make a statement as to how this fix might affect warranty of product.
 
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Someone who has received certified training in using the material, either in an apprenticeship class, or continuing education such as is offered by tape manufacturers.
Looks like I need to go to tape school.
 
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Electricmanscott, I don't think that you are taking this tape certification thing serious enough. I went looking to see if suck a thing exist and while I can't find any sort of certification. I find that 3M does offer online training. Did you know " The difference between the right tape and the almost-right tape can be like the difference between a bolt of lightning and a lightning bug". I did not know this. For a most enjoyable time visit 3M's site and take the online training. Be sure to check out product information, shelf life & warranty. I can't even find the manufacturing date on a roll of Super 33+.
 
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