LarryBen
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- Plano, TX, USA
I've done work under NEC and a little under Canadian code but now come the opportunity to do work on small isolated systems in non-grid locations. These are nations where the rural grid (when available) is often single wire earth return systems. Don't try to cut the down the pole ground wire there to steal a day's income worth of copper!
These are locations where only metric wire sizes are available, but there are reasonable wire size versus ampacity charts online for the various wiring installation methods (based on IEC standards), so those are a given. Wiring standards for installation under IEC look pretty scary to folks used to our NEC rules but don't seem to kill the users. Their residual current circuit breakers are close enough to our GFCI's for use to understand their purpose.
In locations where many people are barefoot and no one has any electrical user experience, is an ungrounded AC system safer than a grounded system? At least to get into trouble you would have to touch both bare conductors.
Where inverter capacity is too limited to reliably trip a circuit breaker (inverter voltages collapses on fault), what AC circuit protection works best (if any), fuses, breakers, RCCB's? Remember these are locations where there are no hardware / building supply stores for replacement parts. Sure DC fuse or breaker protection on inverter input is a given. If the inverter does collapse voltage on a fault what does a standard output breaker really do that a switch doesn't? (Remember to check breaker operational time curves before answering) An RCCB could work to protect against shock on a grounded AC system but not an ungrounded one.
What would you put in a clean slate electrical safety code for small home solar systems (DC only <50 VDC), small home solar systems with small inverters (230 VAC say <1000 VA), and then for islanded mini-grids (230 VAC single phase) in resource challenged areas?
I realize there will be a lot of opinions and that is fine, but what would a SAFE basic practice for design and sustainable installation and operation look like?
I've got a horror show collection of photos of unbelievably scary electrical installations I've seen in these nations in areas where grid power is available, but these are for areas where no one has any experience with the concept of dangers of an electrical system. So, just saying do it the NEC way doesn't quite work as nothing in the local stores is tested by anyone! I've also seen electrical wire where the measured conductor sizes was about 1/3 of the printed label on the insulation, so the market there is very much buyer be aware and knowledgeable.
Thanks for your ideas and comments.
These are locations where only metric wire sizes are available, but there are reasonable wire size versus ampacity charts online for the various wiring installation methods (based on IEC standards), so those are a given. Wiring standards for installation under IEC look pretty scary to folks used to our NEC rules but don't seem to kill the users. Their residual current circuit breakers are close enough to our GFCI's for use to understand their purpose.
In locations where many people are barefoot and no one has any electrical user experience, is an ungrounded AC system safer than a grounded system? At least to get into trouble you would have to touch both bare conductors.
Where inverter capacity is too limited to reliably trip a circuit breaker (inverter voltages collapses on fault), what AC circuit protection works best (if any), fuses, breakers, RCCB's? Remember these are locations where there are no hardware / building supply stores for replacement parts. Sure DC fuse or breaker protection on inverter input is a given. If the inverter does collapse voltage on a fault what does a standard output breaker really do that a switch doesn't? (Remember to check breaker operational time curves before answering) An RCCB could work to protect against shock on a grounded AC system but not an ungrounded one.
What would you put in a clean slate electrical safety code for small home solar systems (DC only <50 VDC), small home solar systems with small inverters (230 VAC say <1000 VA), and then for islanded mini-grids (230 VAC single phase) in resource challenged areas?
I realize there will be a lot of opinions and that is fine, but what would a SAFE basic practice for design and sustainable installation and operation look like?
I've got a horror show collection of photos of unbelievably scary electrical installations I've seen in these nations in areas where grid power is available, but these are for areas where no one has any experience with the concept of dangers of an electrical system. So, just saying do it the NEC way doesn't quite work as nothing in the local stores is tested by anyone! I've also seen electrical wire where the measured conductor sizes was about 1/3 of the printed label on the insulation, so the market there is very much buyer be aware and knowledgeable.
Thanks for your ideas and comments.