NYC zoning code, running conduit
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Dsg319
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How the heck do they get there service conductors into the building?
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- Bremerton, Washington
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- Master Electrician
Don’t know about NYC code, but conduits on bldg exterior will have condensation and code requires to be arranged to drain
Utility is probably not governed by zoning code and most of the services in NYC are underground
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I would have to see this "zoning code" in writing to believe it. You can run it on the outside of the building. Just cannot be EMT.
Yea I usually did rigid galvanized steel outdoor in my old firm and they had no problem with it. This “zoning code” thing is new to me I have no idea where he got that idea and I’m kinda afraid of asking him lol
ron
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The NYC Zoning Code that your boss might be describing is a made up narrative described to him/her by a boss of years prior.
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wwhitney
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RumRunner
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Your boss sounds like a model of a dissertation [writer] that writes in metaphor when he says (in essence) that ZONING CODE extends to electrical installation guide.
That sophistication is admirable which is akin to expecting an unschooled pauper to recite a poem by John Milton’s (1608-1574) “Paradise Lost” (lol)
Prosaic introduction is over and now right to the point.
ZONING CODES are regulations that pertain to use of land that are intended for public use. They are primarily intended to enhance the quality of life of the people that may have the desire to live in that particular area.
Zoning of an area is approved by the city council.
It is irrevocable in most cases. As with many rules they are not cast in stone. They do have the strength of the law.
You are smart not to mention this concern to your boss. You need the job.
I’m not keen on NYC regulation in this regard. . . . and I’m not in a position to make any comment on how they work.
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Is he blind or just doesn't get out too much? I was walking around the village in Manhattan yesterday and there is exposed conduit everywhere.
Fred B
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- Electrician
There are some restrictions related to historical districts that may restrict placement but not sure that is is universally applicable outside of the historical district. That happens even upstate, though I'm not up on NYC specifically to comment on the particular individual point.
Sometimes it is easier to make application as an installer choice to "Just not do it anywhere" rather than figure out if a particular house or building is under a specific unique requirement that would prohibit something that by all other accounts would be acceptable, legitimate, and code compliant (NEC).
Have some areas here that have the district that might stop midway up a block, so to determine, (without having a million hoops to jump through and special permiting), whether the divide is between 250 and 252 or 252 and 254, "we" choose to just not to do "that" (whatever that is) in any of that proximity, so long as it otherwise doesn't create a NEC violation.
Push back up here happens via the locality ZB and almost universally when challenged and justification made that a local rule is in contradiction to the NEC as the state has adopted, we win and installation will proceed. It also then becomes precedent, and applicable on all future installations. But this is very time consuming procees (months) so for a job that only holdup is a ZB restriction that doesn't create in itself a greater violation, we just make an alternate installation just to get the job done.
Sometimes it is easier to make application as an installer choice to "Just not do it anywhere" rather than figure out if a particular house or building is under a specific unique requirement that would prohibit something that by all other accounts would be acceptable, legitimate, and code compliant (NEC).
Have some areas here that have the district that might stop midway up a block, so to determine, (without having a million hoops to jump through and special permiting), whether the divide is between 250 and 252 or 252 and 254, "we" choose to just not to do "that" (whatever that is) in any of that proximity, so long as it otherwise doesn't create a NEC violation.
Push back up here happens via the locality ZB and almost universally when challenged and justification made that a local rule is in contradiction to the NEC as the state has adopted, we win and installation will proceed. It also then becomes precedent, and applicable on all future installations. But this is very time consuming procees (months) so for a job that only holdup is a ZB restriction that doesn't create in itself a greater violation, we just make an alternate installation just to get the job done.
electrofelon
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Ok Spock. You know Spock from Star Trek right? The character who thinks and speaks with utmost logic and reason? He said in one of the movies, "it is not logical to hunt a species to Extinction".
And the reply was “Whoever said that the human race was logical?”
He knows there are conduits outside of the building walls but he thinks it's illegal, you can't convince this guy no matter how much you try. He will yell at you if you disagree with him. I remember suggesting him to route some conduits outside and he said "Don't ever say that again"
I think you are referring to landmarks. Even landmarks sometimes approves outdoor conduits depending where they will be installed
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