Off-Market residential Surge Protection.

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I'm new here and I'm not sure if this subject has been covered before.

So far I've done some advanced search and nothing seems to lead me to this subject matter.

I'm well aware of the inherent surge protection aka lightning rods installed in substations or perhaps UFER grounding system in institutional buildings but not in residential buildings whether it's a single occupancy or multi occupancy dwelling.

Makes me think that these things are just manufacturers' hype trying to justify the need for consumers...and convince them to buy their product?

Being injured or getting fried by lightning bolt is akin to winning a power ball lottery.

What do you think?
 
myspark said:
I'm new here and I'm not sure if this subject has been covered before.

So far I've done some advanced search and nothing seems to lead me to this subject matter.

I'm well aware of the inherent surge protection aka lightning rods installed in substations or perhaps UFER grounding system in institutional buildings but not in residential buildings whether it's a single occupancy or multi occupancy dwelling.

Makes me think that these things are just manufacturers' hype trying to justify the need for consumers...and convince them to buy their product?

Being injured or getting fried by lightning bolt is akin to winning a power ball lottery.

What do you think?
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Your post is a little...vague. Are you asking about whole-house surge suppression or lightning protection? They are not the same thing, and I'm not sure why you brought Ufer's into the discussion.
 
And when you say "off-market" are you referring to what I would call aftermarket devices to be added to an existing information and possibly sold through selected "installers"?
A prime example of the latter would be residential power factor correction packages, which IMHO are pure unadulterated snake oil.
I once looked into such a setup and the local reference installer whose name the company gave me said he was not working with them anymore because of customer dissatisfaction. Reading between the lines it sounded a lot like he regretted having been caught up in the scam himself.
 
I did find the co-location of lightning protection system that relates to several structures including (what I mentioned institutional and residential) in NFPA Chapter 4, 4.1.1.


This includes commercial, industrial and farm structures.


When I refer to Ufer System, being a part of grounding or bonding conductors to a lightning rod as required in some lightning-prone localities, I wasn't being lost ( maybe that's what some of you guys thought) rather, a clarification, since conductors used for path for lightning surge goes through the same wires to earth.


A statement being judged as vague is relative. . . that is, those who do understand will not consider something as vague.


Thank you for all the attempt to answer my question though they maybe tinged with a bit of sarcasm.

As for my "Off market" comment, that was sort of a metaphor owing to the fact that lightning protection is not normally required by most AHJ.





(I had to grow old to learn what I wanted to know, and I should need to be young to say well what I know.--Joseph Joubert)
 
myspark said:
I'm new here and I'm not sure if this subject has been covered before.

So far I've done some advanced search and nothing seems to lead me to this subject matter.

I'm well aware of the inherent surge protection aka lightning rods installed in substations or perhaps UFER grounding system in institutional buildings but not in residential buildings whether it's a single occupancy or multi occupancy dwelling.

Makes me think that these things are just manufacturers' hype trying to justify the need for consumers...and convince them to buy their product?

Being injured or getting fried by lightning bolt is akin to winning a power ball lottery.

What do you think?
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Lightning and surge protection systems and devices are meant to protect property, not people. Lightning protection and surge protection are not the same. Both will work as intended if installed properly.
 
K8MHZ said:
Lightning and surge protection systems and devices are meant to protect property, not people. Lightning protection and surge protection are not the same. Both will work as intended if installed properly.
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This statement is outright paradoxical.

If you review the preface of the NEC or NFPA or other publications with regard to safety. . . they specifically state that any provision is meant to protect life and property-- and that even includes you pet cat.

All the best
 
myspark said:
This statement is outright paradoxical.

If you review the preface of the NEC or NFPA or other publications with regard to safety. . . they specifically state that any provision is meant to protect life and property-- and that even includes you pet cat.

All the best
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Circuit breakers are meant to protect property, not people. GFCI's are meant to protect people. Is that also paradoxical?

You should take a look at 90.1

The purpose of this Code is the practical safeguarding of persons and property from the hazards arising from the use of electricity.

(Cats not included.)

The purpose of any device can be the protection of property, or persons, or both, or none (as in a switch). There is no requirement for any device designed to protect property to protect people.
 
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(Cats not included.)
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first, there was disrespect to the snakes above....
now, marginalizing of the cats.

this has to stop.

disrespect of a cat can have serious consequences.
remember on the bus, when a political candidate
marginalized a cat. you saw what happened to him....

he ended up getting elected. we don't want that to
happen to you, do we?
 
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