Ohio Maintenance Electrician Rules?

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OreMetTec

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Albany, OR
Hello everyone.

This is my first post so please be gentle. I live in Oregon and work in a manufacturing plant as a maintenance electrician. I have an Oregon plant journeyman electrical license and a Utah journeyman electricial license. The company I work for has plants in several other states, one of which is Ohio. They claim at the plant in Ohio that they don't need an electrical license of any type to perform work on the systems in their plant. This sounds fishy to me but I can't find anything online that says differently. Does anyone have any information about the requirements in Ohio to perform manufacturing plant electrical maintenance?
 

LEO2854

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Ma
Hello everyone.

This is my first post so please be gentle. I live in Oregon and work in a manufacturing plant as a maintenance electrician. I have an Oregon plant journeyman electrical license and a Utah journeyman electricial license. The company I work for has plants in several other states, one of which is Ohio. They claim at the plant in Ohio that they don't need an electrical license of any type to perform work on the systems in their plant. This sounds fishy to me but I can't find anything online that says differently. Does anyone have any information about the requirements in Ohio to perform manufacturing plant electrical maintenance?

Welcome to the forum:)
Click this link Ohio regs about Electricians..
http://www.com.ohio.gov/dico/OCILB.aspx
 

jxofaltrds

Inspector Mike®
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Mike P. Columbus Ohio
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ESI, PI, RBO
Hello everyone.

This is my first post so please be gentle. I live in Oregon and work in a manufacturing plant as a maintenance electrician. I have an Oregon plant journeyman electrical license and a Utah journeyman electricial license. The company I work for has plants in several other states, one of which is Ohio. They claim at the plant in Ohio that they don't need an electrical license of any type to perform work on the systems in their plant. This sounds fishy to me but I can't find anything online that says differently. Does anyone have any information about the requirements in Ohio to perform manufacturing plant electrical maintenance?

Probably true.

From:http://publicecodes.citation.com/st...b2v07_1_sec002_par011.htm?bu=OH-P-2005-000004

102.10 Work exempt from approval. Approval shall not be required for the following:
Electrical:[$SHIFTLEFTONE]
1. Minor repair work, including the replacement of lamps or the connection of approved portable electrical equipment to approved permanently installed receptacles.
2. Electrical equipment used for radio and television transmissions, except equipment and wiring for power supply, and the installation of towers and antennas.
3. The installation of any temporary system required for the testing or servicing of electrical equipment or apparatus.
4. Electrical wiring, devices, appliances, apparatus or equipment operating at less than 25 volts and not capable of supplying more than 50 watts of energy, unless specifically addressed in this code.
5. Process equipment and the associated wiring on the load side of the power disconnect to the equipment.

I do not think that 4740 ORC http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4740 applys.

4740.01 Construction industry licensing board definitions.
As used in this chapter:

(A) ?License? means a license the Ohio construction industry licensing board issues to an individual as a heating, ventilating, and air conditioning contractor, refrigeration contractor, electrical contractor, plumbing contractor, or hydronics contractor.

(B) ?Contractor? means any individual or business entity that satisfies both of the following:

(1) Directs, supervises, or has responsibility for the means, method, and manner of construction, improvement, renovation, repair, or maintenance on a construction project with respect to one or more trades and who offers, identifies, advertises, or otherwise holds out or represents that the individual or business entity is permitted or qualified to perform, direct, supervise, or have responsibility for the means, method, and manner of construction, improvement, renovation, repair, or maintenance with respect to one or more trades on a construction project;

(2) Performs or otherwise supervises or directs tradespersons who perform construction, improvement, renovation, repair, or maintenance on a construction project with respect to the contractor?s trades.

(C) ?Licensed trade? means a trade performed by a heating, ventilating, and air conditioning contractor, a refrigeration contractor, an electrical contractor, a plumbing contractor, or a hydronics contractor.

(D) ?Tradesperson? means any individual who is supervised or directed by a contractor or who is otherwise employed by a contractor and who engages in construction, improvement, renovation, repair, or maintenance of buildings or structures without assuming responsibility for the means, method, or manner of that construction, improvement, renovation, repair, or maintenance.

(E) ?Construction project? means a construction project involving a building or structure subject to Chapter 3781. of the Revised Code and the rules adopted under that chapter, but not an industrialized unit or a residential building as defined in section 3781.06 of the Revised Code.

Effective Date: 09-18-2001; 09-16-2004; 05-27-2005; 03-30-2007; 2008 HB444 04-07-2009
 

OreMetTec

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Albany, OR
5. Process equipment and the associated wiring on the load side of the power disconnect to the equipment.

Thanks for the replies. Number 5 seems to be the one that would allow them to perform work on just about anything. It seems unsafe to allow a person off the street to perform maintenance on electrical equipment.
 

Cavie

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SW Florida
Thanks for the replies. Number 5 seems to be the one that would allow them to perform work on just about anything. It seems unsafe to allow a person off the street to perform maintenance on electrical equipment.

Load side if the disconnect does not give them "Cart Blanche" to do electric work everywhere in the plant.
 

cadpoint

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Location
Durham, NC
Load side if the disconnect does not give them "Cart Blanche" to do electric work everywhere in the plant.

Your "State Law's" IMO, is a bigger concern than comparing what is going on in OHIO! The Company should and probably does know the Laws of Commmerce in the State that they operate, to compare to another State is just Loopie, again IMO...

I liked Cavie answer, I just wanted to opinion it! :roll:
 

jxofaltrds

Inspector Mike®
Location
Mike P. Columbus Ohio
Occupation
ESI, PI, RBO
Thanks for the replies. Number 5 seems to be the one that would allow them to perform work on just about anything. It seems unsafe to allow a person off the street to perform maintenance on electrical equipment.

Yes.

if i am not mistaken the only state license for Electrical in ohio is the Contractors license.

It is "Licensed Electrical Contractor". It is a commercial license.

Load side if the disconnect does not give them "Cart Blanche" to do electric work everywhere in the plant.

No. Permitted work still needs to be performed by the lic. electrical contractor.
 

LEO2854

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Thanks for the replies. Number 5 seems to be the one that would allow them to perform work on just about anything. It seems unsafe to allow a person off the street to perform maintenance on electrical equipment.

And Dangerous too:roll:
 

OreMetTec

Member
Location
Albany, OR
Here's the deal

Here's the deal

Your "State Law's" IMO, is a bigger concern than comparing what is going on in OHIO! The Company should and probably does know the Laws of Commmerce in the State that they operate, to compare to another State is just Loopie, again IMO...

I liked Cavie answer, I just wanted to opinion it! :roll:

The company I work for has the plant in Ohio and I will be visiting soon to help out with some PLC programming and tuning of equipment. I have heard some sketchy things through the corporate grapevine and they frankly scared me a little. I was just wondering what the rules are in Ohio since most of what I hear indicates that they have zero licensed electricians on site and that they rely on calling in a contractor when new work needs to be performed. That being said, it seems impossible to operate a 24/7 production line without someone that can open a motor control center bucket and replace fuses or even troubleshoot using a voltmeter.

As far as the company knowing what the "Laws of Commerce" are in the state they operate. I question their abilities in this arena since when they came to Oregon to operate, they figured they would just hire a few good ole' boys from the farm to do their plant maintenance including electrical (just like they do in their facilities in Ohio). In Oregon we require an electrical license to perform maintenance. Either an LME (Limited Maintenance Electrician, two year apprenticeship), LMPJ (Limited Maintenance Plant Journeyman, four year apprenticeship) or a J (Journeyman, four year apprenticeship) to name a few. It seems in Oregon we have as many electrical licenses as there are career paths. At any rate when I travel to their plant I was hoping to have some ammo to use if there was the first indication of an unsafe act occurring. So I guess when I travel there to work on their equipment then my state would be Ohio.

So in your opinion (in Ohio) can a person off the street, meaning a non electrically licensed individual, change a fuse on a circuit after a disconnect (480V) or use a meter on a live circuit for troubleshooting purposes (no construction involved)?
 

jxofaltrds

Inspector Mike®
Location
Mike P. Columbus Ohio
Occupation
ESI, PI, RBO
So in your opinion (in Ohio) can a person off the street, meaning a non electrically licensed individual, change a fuse on a circuit after a disconnect (480V) or use a meter on a live circuit for troubleshooting purposes (no construction involved)?

If the Joe off the street was OSHA trained I see no law that prohibits it.
 

cadpoint

Senior Member
Location
Durham, NC
Well it seems that the rest of the story came out. I went back re-read your original post where it was never stated that you were going to be traveling and working at another plant in another state. I know I would not have even replied if that one statement was made.

It read to me that you were trying to read about your own company policies, and where facing rumors of and disinformation, thus the basis of my statement! One can?t fight a rumor mill, and if there is no company policy, any disinformation.

Let me commend your for trying to understand what your company policies are in another State since it seems you will be traveling. I work an live in the South and most of the battle flag States have the same policy at the state electrical board level; IE if they have a dedicated electric dept, maintenance and upkeep is allowed but any new circuits is inspected. Of course all with variable degree?s of clarity per State.

I?ve done about the same posting here, stated my statement, with clear and concise thoughts in my mind, only to be torn up with the responses.

I?m sorry if I put a distaste in your mind, I am not here for that !
 

ceb58

Senior Member
Location
Raeford, NC
Thanks for the replies. Number 5 seems to be the one that would allow them to perform work on just about anything. It seems unsafe to allow a person off the street to perform maintenance on electrical equipment.

When they advertised for maint. electricians I am sure they screened out the people with out elect. experience. I have seen maint. electricians that know the ins and outs of their plant like the back of their hand. If a machine goes down or is not preforming as should they can go right to the problem. Just because one state has different laws and rules doesn't mean the people do not know what they are doing.
 
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