outlets above lay-in ceilings
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websparky
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Re: outlets above lay-in ceilings
If there is a recepticle, there is a cord.
NEC 2002 Flexible Cords and Cables 400.8 Uses Not Permitted.(5)Where concealed by walls, floors, or ceilings or located above suspended or dropped ceilings.
If there is a recepticle, there is a cord.
NEC 2002 Flexible Cords and Cables 400.8 Uses Not Permitted.(5)Where concealed by walls, floors, or ceilings or located above suspended or dropped ceilings.
gregoryelectricinc
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Re: outlets above lay-in ceilings
You got it sparky. Code does not specifically prohibit the outlet above suspended ceiling, but w/o the cord what is the point?
You got it sparky. Code does not specifically prohibit the outlet above suspended ceiling, but w/o the cord what is the point?
gregoryelectricinc
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Re: outlets above lay-in ceilings
I don't see anything in 400.7 that specifically permits a flexible cord above a suspended ceiling.All of the uses spec'd could be below the ceiling level. 440.8 specifically prohibits the use of flexible cord above the ceiling.
I don't see anything in 400.7 that specifically permits a flexible cord above a suspended ceiling.All of the uses spec'd could be below the ceiling level. 440.8 specifically prohibits the use of flexible cord above the ceiling.
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Re: outlets above lay-in ceilings
400.7 takes precedence over 400.8, because 400.8 contains specific language defering to 400.7.
400.8 "... Unless specifically allowed by 400.7..."
400.7(A)(8) specifically allows the use of some cord connected appliances.
400.7 takes precedence over 400.8, because 400.8 contains specific language defering to 400.7.
400.8 "... Unless specifically allowed by 400.7..."
400.7(A)(8) specifically allows the use of some cord connected appliances.
websparky
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Re: outlets above lay-in ceilings
Yes, some equipement is allowed to be cord connected. However, the equipement needs to be "listed for use as a cord connected appliance in an environmental air space" by UL and have the accompanying paper work.
Very rare.
Yes, some equipement is allowed to be cord connected. However, the equipement needs to be "listed for use as a cord connected appliance in an environmental air space" by UL and have the accompanying paper work.
Very rare.
Re: outlets above lay-in ceilings
just because there is a outlet above the ceiling does not mean there is a cord. if a 24 volt transformer is plugged into the outlet then the wire coming from it to its equipment is then low voltage wire not flexible cord so the thought that a outlet above the ceiling must have a cord plugged into it is just someone with a one track mind like my inspector. the inspector should have said the equipemt was wrong not my outlet
just because there is a outlet above the ceiling does not mean there is a cord. if a 24 volt transformer is plugged into the outlet then the wire coming from it to its equipment is then low voltage wire not flexible cord so the thought that a outlet above the ceiling must have a cord plugged into it is just someone with a one track mind like my inspector. the inspector should have said the equipemt was wrong not my outlet
websparky
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Re: outlets above lay-in ceilings
NEC 2002 Flexible Cords and Cables 400.8
Would this transformer have a flexable cord or cable on the secondary side?
NEC 2002 Flexible Cords and Cables 400.8
Would this transformer have a flexable cord or cable on the secondary side?
Re: outlets above lay-in ceilings
my question was can a outlet be above a lay in ceiling it is not the inspectors place to guess at what will be plugged into it, his job is to inspect the outlet if somthing is plugged into it then the inspector can say something otherwise he needs to do his job that is to inspect not guess
my question was can a outlet be above a lay in ceiling it is not the inspectors place to guess at what will be plugged into it, his job is to inspect the outlet if somthing is plugged into it then the inspector can say something otherwise he needs to do his job that is to inspect not guess
websparky
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Re: outlets above lay-in ceilings
steve65,
I'm not intending to argue with you!
Inspectors have to consider many different aspects of an electrical installation. Some of which are as follows.
steve65,
I'm not intending to argue with you!
Inspectors have to consider many different aspects of an electrical installation. Some of which are as follows.
Re: outlets above lay-in ceilings
i understand but if there is nothing plugged in the plug then it is not his job to guess an outlet above a ceiling could be for portable that a service person uses for inspection hvac work or for a fire alarm company uses for servicing duct detectors. what i am saying is it is not against code to have a outlet above a lay in ceiling. besides how many times have you seen a building with outside security cameras , the power for there 24 volt transformer is a outlet above the ceiling that it plugs into, and store with security alarms at the door power for there 24 power is a outlet above the ceiling. til something is plugged into the outlet the inspector needs to inspect my outlet which is not agaisnt the code.
i understand but if there is nothing plugged in the plug then it is not his job to guess an outlet above a ceiling could be for portable that a service person uses for inspection hvac work or for a fire alarm company uses for servicing duct detectors. what i am saying is it is not against code to have a outlet above a lay in ceiling. besides how many times have you seen a building with outside security cameras , the power for there 24 volt transformer is a outlet above the ceiling that it plugs into, and store with security alarms at the door power for there 24 power is a outlet above the ceiling. til something is plugged into the outlet the inspector needs to inspect my outlet which is not agaisnt the code.
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