Outlets and Switchesin Backsplash

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When there is more htan 1/4" from the wall finish to the mud ring of an outlet box I used to use a "goof ring". What is the real name of that thing?????? :confused: :confused: Can I find a picture and an explination of what is used for on the internet?
 
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Originally posted by m73214:
Arlington Industries makes are real nice one called a box extender.
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I believe these are the ones that are gangable by cutting along the trim line. White singles 1? deep. Really nice for multigang outlets, where 2 singles without the trim cut back could prove a chore to install. :cool:

[ February 17, 2006, 07:45 PM: Message edited by: throttlebody ]
 
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Yes without trimming one it is almost impossible to trim out.As well gfci devices are a bear but better to use these than have to tape everything in sight when metal rings are used.
 
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I know what a mud ring is but I'm not sure that is what you are talking about. I have a situation right now where the boxes were in stalled for a tile backsplash, now the customer has ordered granite. When I got there to trim the granite is 1 1/8 inch out from the front of the box. Does anyone have a good solution for this?

Paul
 
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Use the white ones mentioned above, they are 1 1/2" deep. If the ears dont hit the granite, then have the trim guy or granite company epoxy a filler to reduce the cut out, if it is cut too big.

Yes, they make them in 2gang, they even make them in an 8b for pendants trims. :cool:

BTW, you are allowed 1/4 in anyway, it's not like granite is combustible.

[ February 18, 2006, 11:02 PM: Message edited by: throttlebody ]
 
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Just a foot note when decora devices are installed watch that the screw holes aren`t over the tile/granite .I use my t strippers with screw cutters to cut to size.
The thing with granite isn`t the granite being combustable but the adhesive is. ;)
 
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I call them spark rings.
:D

Originally posted by allenwayne:
The thing with granite isn`t the granite being combustable but the adhesive is.
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I thought the problem was the code required boxes to be no farther than 1/4" from the surface of non-combustible surfaces? What does adhesive have t do with anything? :confused:

[ February 19, 2006, 09:30 PM: Message edited by: georgestolz ]
 
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Crimp Sleeves! :D
I've uh...."seen" that done already!!! :cool:
I don't consider tile or granite combustible but I always make sure to use a "deep" mud ring on the rough if they're getting tile or granite. It also FORCES the granite guy to make his cuts correctly . For some reason they don't like to make a paper stencil of the cuts first like they should but when they see the boxes sticking out way past the drywall, they make sure it's right everytime.
 
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The problem I have is: I never know if they're putting in tile or not at rough.

I've thought about roughing in Carlon Expanda-boxes in the kitchen where tile goes. I figured I'd jack them all the way out (up to tile depth), and then wind them back in if there was no tile present on the trim.

The problem with that theory is, the insulators spray expanding foam behind all my boxes in exterior walls, so my boxes would be locked out at the tile depth.

So, I stick to spark rings.

I do stick my microwave and disposal/dishwasher receptacle boxes way out, so the cabinet guy has to remember to cut them out. But it's amazing how ingeniously they can screw that up. I should take away his chain-saw. :D
 
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Originally posted by allenwayne:
The thing with granite isn`t the granite being combustable but the adhesive is.
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Originally posted by georgestolz: I thought the problem was the code required boxes to be no farther than 1/4" from the surface of non-combustible surfaces? What does adhesive have t do with anything?
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What allenwayne is referring to is In walls and ceilings constructed of wood or other combustible surface material, boxes shall be flush with the finished surface or project therefrom.

The adhesive holding the filler piece in could be manufactured of combustible material, therefore requiring the box to be brought forth, but the spark ring would take care of that.


Edit: While I am on this, use caution in model homes, model homes used a sales offices and office buildings i.e; as they often tend to wallpaper to the device inside the plate, and on the plate, wrap the paper around to the internal side. While the Electrical Inspector may let this go unnoticed, the Fire Inspector might also be one to point it out. With new residential construction, the "true" wall finish may not be that of just paint.

[ February 20, 2006, 10:06 AM: Message edited by: throttlebody ]
 
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Hey George, I just remembered another way.

I keep 2" 6/32's and 6/32 nuts on hand. Use the 2" screw and thread the nut almost all the way tight to the yoke and then screw the device into the box. The device can't push back at all. It really Works great. I just did it today! The boxes I just bragged about yesterday weren't out quite enough when I got there today! :(
Man, that Marble is THICK! :roll:
 
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