Over amperage problem

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aftershock

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Memphis, TN
Scenario:
Storage company. One of these places where people go rent, store things, ect. Rows of buildings with pull down doors.
OK. These building have wall pack lights on them. Metal Halide (sp)
1 20 amp circuit fed with #10 (for voltage drop) thhn, underground in pvc.
1 circuit feeds 3 buildings with a total of 8 100 watt fixtures per.
The conduit is run underground. It comes up into the building to a JB located on one of the corner storage areas facing inside. conduit then leaves this JB , goes back underground to feed the next building. then the third. From the JB inside each building it feed through a conduit run to a central JB which then braches off to any light located on the building. There is also one convienant outlet on the middle building.

Last week I got a call that the breaker was tripping. I checked with an amp clamp and the circuit was pulling 40+ amps. This is causing the trip.
Customer tells me the a worker plugged a circular saw into the outlet on the building and when he used it, this cause the breaker to trip and it has been doing this since. I replaced the GFI just to be sure. It was on a dead end just FYI.

I did not have time to finish that day so I re scheduled for today. I go back out with the intention of "process of elimination" I was going to disconnect one light at a time until I could get the amps to go back to norm. I figured maybe a bad light was causing the over amperage. Or a loose joint. But remember, the JBs are located inside the storage buildings and only the one renting it can gain access to it.

Well when I had my partner turn on the breaker , it held. only 15 amps were being pulled. Hrmm I though. I took out my circular saw and plugged it into the outlet. When I turned on the saw the wallpacks on the same building and the one downstream went out. then they came back on.

I still figure loose joint to be causing this, although I have never ran across this before.

Circuits can over amp due to a loose joint somewhere?
 
Generally no MH fixture will not draw more with loose connections.

MH lamps do draw more current on a hot restart than when they are running.

It is my guess that the circular saw drops the voltage enough to 'snuff' the lamps and then when they try to do a hot re-start they collectively draw to much.

What is the current marked on each ballast (not the lamp wattage) and how many are there.

One suggestion I have is to see if they have muti-tap ballasts, if they do change the circuit to 208 or 240 depending on what is available.
 
iwire said:
Generally no MH fixture will not draw more with loose connections.

MH lamps do draw more current on a hot restart than when they are running.

It is my guess that the circular saw drops the voltage enough to 'snuff' the lamps and then when they try to do a hot re-start they collectively draw to much.

What is the current marked on each ballast (not the lamp wattage) and how many are there.

One suggestion I have is to see if they have muti-tap ballasts, if they do change the circuit to 208 or 240 depending on what is available.

There are 8 fixtures total. I will have to check the ballast next time, if I ever have to be called out again for this problem. They are multi-tap.
I am just trying to figure out what cause this problem and how it corrected itself.
Edit: right now they are wired as 120/v
 
aftershock said:
I am just trying to figure out what cause this problem and how it corrected itself.
That's easy. Give the customer a bill and ask him to let you know when they need you again. :wink:
 
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