Parking Lot Lighting and grounding (or lack of)

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At one of our facilities the city electrical inspector red-tagged and condemned the plant parking lot lighting due to a lack of ground conductors in the feed and distribution to the existing light poles. Here is the scope of work the plant came up with. Just looking at input. Thanks

The following is the scope of work that we developed today jointly with plant staff, Iafrate, Ideal Contracting, and Huron Valley Electric:

1. Add a ground conductor from the main feed to the lighting distribution panel in the new pumphouse. This will likely involve pulling out the existing conductors and installing new conductors with the appropriate ground conductor.
2. Because plant maintenance have experienced widespread failure of the thin wall plastic conduits between light poles, we request that all old conduits be replaced between light poles except the runs recently installed.
3. New conduits shall be schedule 80 PVC buried to a depth of 3 feet. A transition shall be made to rigid galvanized conduit and run on the concrete pole base to a new junction box. A rigid conduit shall be run from the junction box into the light pole base and sealed.
4. New conductors shall be installed with the appropriate ground conductor and appropriate grounding at each light pole.
5. The conduits shall be installed by saw cutting the asphalt pavement and excavating a 3 foot wide trench.
6. The trench shall then be backfilled and compacted with clean fill sand, 6? crushed stone base, and 4? 1100T asphalt flush with the adjacent pavement surface.
7. The east-most lot shall be completed first since this lot is closed. Once this lot is opened, ACH will close another lot for lighting repair and so on until the lighting in all four parking lots has been repaired. ACH can close one additional lot during the July shutdown weeks of July 7 and July 14.
8. During the repairs, sufficient lighting shall be maintained in the parking lots that are in use. This may be done by strategic wiring replacement and temporary tie-ins and/or with portable lights with generators protected with concrete barriers.
9. Cost saving alternates should be submitted for consideration.
 
Recommendations:
Use XHHW-2 or XHHW-2 XLP insulated copper conductors.
Use an insulated equipment grounding conductor
At each pole use copper only lugs and ss hardware.

And its interesting that this was caught on an inspection.
 
Thanks for the input. I was shocked it was caught during an inspection too. But we are doing several changes, including adding dock doors and redoing some parking lot areas, so it was a good catch. Well not financially speaking, but as a matter of safety.
 
barbeer said:
.... When was the parking lot originally installed? ....

That was my first thought. Is this an installation dating back to the Kennedy administration, or was it done just this year?
 
Eng-Tom said:
3. New conduits shall be schedule 80 PVC buried to a depth of 3 feet. A transition shall be made to rigid galvanized conduit and run on the concrete pole base to a new junction box. A rigid conduit shall be run from the junction box into the light pole base and sealed.

I recommend schedule 40 PVC 100%, the GRC risers are a common spec but they will eventually rust and the only reason for them is to avoid burning through them on long hard pulls - don't do hard pulls :)

Eng-Tom said:
6. The trench shall then be backfilled and compacted with clean fill sand, 6? crushed stone base, and 4? 1100T asphalt flush with the adjacent pavement surface.

You might consider a 3" sand envelope and slurry backfill to existing flush because it's a parking lot and separation/settling will happen.
 
080626-0836 EST

Eng-Tom:

Is this Washtenaw county -- Ypsi, Saline, Milan or somewhere else? Just curious. The 60s sort of implies Saline.

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#5, why such a wide trench?
3feet is a lot of trench for lighting pole raceway installation.
How many circuits? The inspector seems sharp, make sure there are not too many conductors per raceway in regards to ampacity adjustment/pipefill.
It sounds like there may be quite a few different lots, which may also mean a lot of raceway runs and length of conductors.
If this is so, I recommend that you install a panel somewhere outside in the middle location of all the lots. Build a small shed for protection/safety/asthetics. This will help you to keep the pole conductors smaller in size and have shorter runs as well.
 
We will be boring instead now. Is anyone familiar with flexible SDR-11 High-density polyethylene (HDPE) and is it ok to run 480V through it? Also, does anyone know the year the code changed that made the parking lot non-compliant? Thanks.
 
Eng-Tom said:
We will be boring instead now. Is anyone familiar with flexible SDR-11 High-density polyethylene (HDPE) and is it ok to run 480V through it? Also, does anyone know the year the code changed that made the parking lot non-compliant? Thanks.
There is a code article on HDPE conduit added in the 05 NEC. No code book handy at moment, but its about article 354 or so.
 
depending on your area....

depending on your area....

... I would consider supplemental ground rods, either at each pole, or certain select poles, with the intention being to help dissipate lightning stikes.
And of course this depends on your area. I saw it allot at DE industrial plants, where lightning strikes were not uncommon.

Lightning has a tendency to be drawn to metal objects protruding 30 - 75 feet in the air!

JM
 
Me too

Me too

Thes specs are similar to a parking lot lighting upgrade we did last year. Some specs are overkill and can be negotiated to a more reasonable installation, but be sure all the powers that be give their blessing so you don't end up explaining to every interested party why the actual installation deviates from the original specs. Just a word to the wise.

AR
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