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Hi, I work for a non-profit org. as the Electrician with an hourly pay rate. I was asked to get a license to pull permits to save money and not have to get a contractor. I passed the exams and I'm waiting on the state. Should I be getting payed for my license use and how do you find the value of the license use? They are paying all of the license and insurance fees.
Is anyone here getting payed to let someone use their license?
 
CCCI said:
Is anyone here getting payed to let someone use their license?
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In my neck of the woods, they'll yank your license for doing that. I know that it's okay in some jurisdictions. I'm not sure I'd like that liability anyhow, insurance or not.
 
I would be interrested in knowing what state you are in ? In California you can not "loan out " or let someone else use your licence. Don't be fooled YOU are ultimately on the hook for years to come when it is your name on the permit and license. You could be in a court room years from now , when your good will has matured common sense, and the non profit that is paying you nothing will not be by your side shouldering anything. If you are by the hour make sure you understand there is a lot of unforseen cost and liability that most people can't even begin to fathom, until they are in the driver seat. Oh thats right your not going to be in the driver seat you'll be on the hook. Just a little poke at your expence. Be careful not to do anything that could harm your future, this is a very slippery slope.. Keep your eyes open " the road to Hell is paved with good intention" See You There LOL:)
 
Still Doing The Work

Still Doing The Work

I will still be doing all of the electrical work, but I'll just get the hourly rate. So I'm not really getting them use my License. I will be doing the work and pulling the permits. The state is Florida.
Thanks to all for your advice.
 
The most important thing to do is find out what the specific rules are for your area, the rules for licensing and permits are very different from place to place.

In my area it is very common for a company or organization with large facilities to hire a full time electrician. That electrician puts their license down for a maintenance permit that allows that electrician to make repairs on existing installations.

I have done this myself, for 5 years a maintenance permit was out in my name for a large facility.

The difference in my liability doing that or simply working for an EC is practically nothing.

The law here puts the liability on the license holder in the field not the company.

In other words I am responsible for what I wire either way.
 
Based on my experience you are not doing anything wrong if you have your qualification listed in a company you don't own. You just need to be the supervisor and have control of the electrical work. If you are supervising yourself, then I guess you are also in control.

The insurance issue needs to be addressed. If you are the qualifier for someone elses company, I would insist on insurance that will indeminify you. If you are starting your own company, then you can get it yourself.

It would be appropriate to have a "bonus" paid for you putting your qualifications into their organization. How much that is depends on how well you are liked, needed, and how easy you would be able to be replaced. Personally, I see nothing wrong in asking for a yearly $10,000 check (if it was a full time electrical contracting firm for profit, I would say more). Now, how to do the asking without ruffling feathers is another thing. Actually, I think I would bring this up without mentioning a firm figure up front. Remember though, that leaves you open to a low-ball starting figure by them.

It's a lot like playing poker. Don't bluff if you can't afford to be called.
 
Yes, you should be getting paid for your licence. You will soon find out just how much it cost in Florida to have a licence open. Workmans Compensation, Bonding, Liability Insurance and Incorperation come to mind. All these are nessecery in the State of Florida. At the very least, cover cost of all this stuff plus a good raise for having it.
 
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hardworkingstiff said:
CCCI,

Are you getting an electrical contractors license in your name or qualifying the company you are working for?
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I'm doing this in my name, but I have not talked to them about if they want it in their name or not. I assume that they would not put it in their name being non-profit.
 
The only way I would consider doing this is if the contractor's license is in the organization's name and I would be listed as the qualifying employee. Having a contractor's license means being in charge of everything and being independent, rather than being an employee.

If you have the contractor's license yourself, you're taking on all the responsibilities without any of the benefits.
 
I really do not understand the situation you are trying to describe. If THEY asked you to get a license so that money could be saved, then WHO is pulling the permits now? Are they paying another contractor to pull permits? Is that contractor ever represented on site, while work is being done? Are you, essentially, using someone else’s license right now, so that a permit can be obtained, and so that you can do all the work yourself, without the person whose license is on the permit having anything to do with the work?

If that is the present situation, then I don’t like it, whether or not it is allowed under your local laws. The person responsible has, IMHO, a duty to have personal involvement in the work being done. How much involvement is certainly up for discussion. But if their only involvement is picking up the permit and collecting a fee, then it violates my sense of professionalism. The public, who will in time be working in (or at least visiting) the areas being constructed under such permits deserves more consideration for their safety.

Now let me discuss the future.

You are saying that you have applied for an additional license. I’m not sure what license that is, but I infer that it would allow you to do electrical work, starting with pulling permits, independent of any other contractor. When you get this license, your non-profit company plans to have you do all the work, including pulling permits, so that they don’t have to pay another contractor.

Do I have that part right?

If so, then it seems to me that you would be acting independently, under licenses that allow you to act independently. You would not be “selling your license” to the company, but rather would be using it in connection with your daily duties. Nothing wrong there.

My only comment is that, since you would be qualified to a higher level, and since this would be saving the company money, I think they owe you a raise. I think they should pay you a portion of the money they are saving.

Now tell me. Have I completely mis-read the situation? If so, can you explain it more clearly?
 
I know for engineering, in FLorida, the company also has to be registered, but I don't know if that applies to Contractor licenses as well.

Where's that Holland guy? This is right up his ally.
 
The only way I would consider doing this is if the contractor's license is in the organization's name and I would be listed as the qualifying employee. Having a contractor's license means being in charge of everything and being independent, rather than being an employee.
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We really can not answer the question with any clerity as the rules are very diffrent across the county.

In my case the facity was an amusment park, they don't get a contractors license becuse they are not a contractor.

They can sub the electric work out or they can hire a full time electrical licensed employee who puts their Jouney or Masters license down on the application for permits to perform electric work.

In my case I was the only one performing electric work and would keep in touch with the inspector, once in a while he would be out to look at things.

The above situation IMO is what CCC is talking about.

He says so here

CCC said:
This is also a very large facility and I am the only electrician. I work full time for maintenance.
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Here we call it a maintance permit and someone on staff has to have a standard electrical license to get it.
 
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