Penisula outlet NEC 2017

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The language of 210:52(C)3 changed from "connected perpendicular edge" in 2014 to "connected perpendicular wall" in 2017. I have a peninsula that measures over 8 feet. Does the wall outlet cover it in 2017 but in 2014 I would need another outlet, or do I still need another outlet under 2017. This peninsula also has a sink in the middle of it but the counterspace behind the sink is well over 12 inches. (16") Thanks
 
Changing the starting point of the measurement allows the wall mounted outlet to count as the required outlet. The 2017 code was changed to discourage outlets on the sides and ends of peninsulas
 
Kids where pulling electric deep fryers and coffeemaker off the peninsula countertop and getting severely burned, that was the reason for the code change.
 
NEC 2020 changed this and now requires receptacle outlet within 2’ of the outer end of a peninsula counter top
 
jusme123 said:
Kids where pulling electric deep fryers and coffeemaker off the peninsula countertop and getting severely burned, that was the reason for the code change.
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And people were pleading this reason 30+ years ago to have the option to not put them on the side of the peninsula/island.
 
jusme123 said:
Changing the starting point of the measurement allows the wall mounted outlet to count as the required outlet. The 2017 code was changed to discourage outlets on the sides and ends of peninsulas
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I am not sure I buy that thought.

(3) Peninsular Countertop Spaces. At least one receptacle
outlet shall be installed at each peninsular countertop long
dimension space with a long dimension of 600 mm (24 in.) or
greater and a short dimension of 300 mm (12 in.) or greater. A
peninsular countertop is measured from the connected
perpendicular wall.
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As strange as it is there appears to be a requirement to install the outlet for the peninsula on the long dimension. IMO, that means along the side of the cabinet.... Absolutely nuts.. 2020 is worse

210.52(C)(2) Island and Peninsular Countertops and Work Surfaces.
Receptacle outlets shall be installed in accordance with 210.52(C)(2)(a) and (C)(2)(b).
  1. (a)
    At least one receptacle outlet shall be provided for the first 0.84 m2 (9 ft2), or fraction thereof, of the countertop or work surface. A receptacle outlet shall be provided for every additional 1.7 m2 (18 ft2), or fraction thereof, of the countertop or work surface.
  2. (b)
    At least one receptacle outlet shall be located within 600 mm (2 ft) of the outer end of a peninsular countertop or work surface. Additional required receptacle outlets shall be permitted to be located as determined by the installer, designer, or building owner. The location of the receptacle outlets shall be in accordance with 210.52(C)(3).

A peninsular countertop shall be measured from the connected perpendicular wall.
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I agree Dennis, why require the outlet to be placed at the end of a peninsula (2020 NEC ), when history has taught us that kids have pulled on the dangling cord, resulting in deep fryers and coffee pots being dumped on them.
 
Do either of you know the reasoning behind 210.52(C)(4), the range or sink in the middle of the peninsula that breaks it into 2 countertops if the countertop behind the sink or range is less than 12 ", but apparently if the countertop behind the sink is more than 12" it is still one countertop. I have 8 foot peninsulas. One has the sink in the middle and about 4" of countertop behind the sink, so that one needs an outlet at the end of the peninsula correct.? The other style they are calling a "galley kitchen". It also has the sink in the middle but it has 17" of countertop behind it. So you have 8' from the connecting wall, over 2' after the sink, but you don't need an outlet at the end of this peninsula because you have one at the connecting wall. (correct?) I believe that is the interpretation but I don't know what difference the width of the countertop makes. Again 2017 code, and as noted it looks like 2020 you would need that receptacle.
 
If you buy into the term "long dimension" then IMO you need a receptacle on the long side of the island not on the end. The wall receptacle would not count. In many areas the wall receptacle is allowed to be used for the peninsula. It is an authority having jurisdiction call.

NC has gone thru great pains to spell it out for many different scenarios but that is just how they see it.

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Dennis Alwon said:
If you buy into the term "long dimension" then IMO you need a receptacle on the long side of the island not on the end. The wall receptacle would not count. In many areas the wall receptacle is allowed to be used for the peninsula. It is an authority having jurisdiction call.

NC has gone thru great pains to spell it out for many different scenarios but that is just how they see it.

If interested click here
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I’ve actually heard it both ways, if you use the wall outlet for peninsula, it doesn’t count as counter wall space outlet. Personally, I think it’s a design issue as far as peninsula is concerned, but also a proven hazardous installation .
 
GerryB said:
Do either of you know the reasoning behind 210.52(C)(4), the range or sink in the middle of the peninsula that breaks it into 2 countertops if the countertop behind the sink or range is less than 12 ", but apparently if the countertop behind the sink is more than 12" it is still one countertop. I have 8 foot peninsulas. One has the sink in the middle and about 4" of countertop behind the sink, so that one needs an outlet at the end of the peninsula correct.? The other style they are calling a "galley kitchen". It also has the sink in the middle but it has 17" of countertop behind it. So you have 8' from the connecting wall, over 2' after the sink, but you don't need an outlet at the end of this peninsula because you have one at the connecting wall. (correct?) I believe that is the interpretation but I don't know what difference the width of the countertop makes. Again 2017 code, and as noted it looks like 2020 you would need that receptacle.
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Which edition of NEC applies?

Never mind.

2017 I don't think you need any receptacles on that peninsula besides at the connecting wall.

2020 sounds like you need one at connecting wall and one within two feet of the other end.
 
kwired said:
And people were pleading this reason 30+ years ago to have the option to not put them on the side of the peninsula/island.
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.....to me it doesn’t make sense, the CMP is creating a proven hazard by this code requirement. How many more kids have to get severely burned to affect a
permanent code change?
 
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