Permit Required? Massachusetts

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Part of the Massachusetts Chapter 143 Section 3L law reads...

No person shall INSTALL for hire any electrical wiring or fixtures...

and...

Any person INSTALLING for hire electrical wiring or fixtures...

So if said person is REMOVING for hire electrical wiring or fixtures only...is person subject to this law?

There are other parts of the laws that only reference the act of INSTALLING that require licence and permits.

shortcircuit2
 
If removing eletrical wiring and fixtures requires a license and permits, there are a whole lot of copper thieves out there breaking the law.
 
G0049 said:
If removing eletrical wiring and fixtures requires a license and permits, there are a whole lot of copper thieves out there breaking the law.
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Not if there stealing it. Only if they are hired to steal it!:cool:
 
G0049 said:
If removing eletrical wiring and fixtures requires a license and permits, there are a whole lot of copper thieves out there breaking the law.
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That would be great. The thief not only get charged with stealing but doing electrical work without a license.

I see here that you also transported the materials in a vehicle without commercial insurance and failed to report the economic gain as income.
You're in a heap of trouble boy. You probably also have several OSHA violations for not wearing the proper PPE.

He end up with 60 days for stealing copper but about a half million in fines. :grin: :grin:
 
from the fore mentioned Chapter 143

Section 3L. The board of fire prevention regulations shall make and promulgate, and from time to time may alter, amend and repeal, rules and regulations relative to the installation, repair and maintenance of electrical wiring and electrical fixtures used for light, heat and power purposes in buildings and structures subject to the provisions of sections three to sixty, inclusive, and the state building code.
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I don't think demolition work qualifies.
 
I don't think demolition work qualifies.[/QUOTE]

It will as soon as a wiring inspector sees a company vehicle working in his town without a permit,regardless of demo or new installs,I/ve been down this road in MA,and as a matter of fact we just sent in a permit to do demo for a customer,its usually cheap money to save a headache down the road...
 
jflynn said:
It will as soon as a wiring inspector sees a company vehicle working in his town without a permit,regardless of demo or new installs,I/ve been down this road in MA,and as a matter of fact we just sent in a permit to do demo for a customer,its usually cheap money to save a headache down the road...
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Bull......

What is the inspector going to inspect after all the wiring is removed.

Now for the original poster, exactly how much demo is going on? Complete demo or just removing some stuff where you will be leaving live wiring in place that would have to be terminated properly.

Either way I'd would not get a permit.
 
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EBFD6 said:
You obviously don't do much work in Worcester ;)
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Actually do mucho work in Worcester. Any specific reasons for saying that?

Gary or Bob?? Like I don't already know the answer.....
 
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electricmanscott said:
Actually do mucho work in Worcester. Any specific reasons for saying that?

Gary or Bob?? Like I don't already know the answer.....
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I'm sure you know, I was kinda half kidding.

I have never personally had any isues with, but he has given some guys in the company I work for the run around. Sometimes makes you wonder if we're all using the same book.

I think his may be a little different:rolleyes:
 
jflyn said:
It will as soon as a wiring inspector sees a company vehicle working in his town without a permit,regardless of demo or new installs,I/ve been down this road in MA,and as a matter of fact we just sent in a permit to do demo for a customer,its usually cheap money to save a headache down the road...
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I would hope after demonstrating, by showing them the chapter and verse, and by respectfully engaging him/her in a professional conversation about what the law requires , he /she would come to the same conclusion ,.. that all that is required is a demolition permit....

Where I live I would be laughed out of the office if I tried to pull a permit just for the removal of wiring. Nor have I ever been asked ,.on the neumerous remodel jobs I have done , to explain the where fors and why fors for my removing any of the old wiring ...
 
electricmanscott said:
Bull......

What is the inspector going to inspect after all the wiring is removed.

uh ...
maybe that you actually removed the intended wiring and it is safe`
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Permit Required?

shortcircuit2 said:
Part of the Massachusetts Chapter 143 Section 3L law reads...

No person shall INSTALL for hire any electrical wiring or fixtures...

and...

Any person INSTALLING for hire electrical wiring or fixtures...

So if said person is REMOVING for hire electrical wiring or fixtures only...is person subject to this law?

There are other parts of the laws that only reference the act of INSTALLING that require license and permits.

shortcircuit2
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IMO no permit required.

Those not for hire words are how non license persons can do work in Ma.

Question: If a person is doing work not for hire, does that mean that the rest of the section does not apply, such as a permit, or an inspection?

As I read it the, inspector is not required to issue a permit or do an inspection,for any kind of electrical work,if the installer is not being paid.
 
Electricmanscott.... Just removing some wiring for a remodel in a building.

Romeo... I agree with you as the law reads...no permit required.

I do feel that a inspection should be done to protect persons and property.

The law needs to be rewritten...


LMAO with the jokes about thieves being busted for no permit:)


shortcircuit2
 
Permit Required? Massachusetts

shortcircuit2 said:
Electricmanscott.... Just removing some wiring for a remodel in a building.

Romeo... I agree with you as the law reads...no permit required.

I do feel that a inspection should be done to protect persons and property.

The law needs to be rewritten...


LMAO with the jokes about thieves being busted for no permit:)


shortcircuit2
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Imo as the MGL is written,there is no doubt that a permit is not required for any kind of work being done by any person not for hire.

I agree that the work should be inspected for public safety.But please answer my question do the words " For Hire " relieve the inspector from the responsibility of issuing a permit or make an inspection for any kind of wiring if the installer is not being paid?

The opinion seems to be that the rule only applies to single family residence.
I don't think so, it applies to any building or structure. I hope I am wrong.
 
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