Plcs and motors

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Hi all so I been with this new job for a month now and all is going well. We mostly maintain and trouble shoot when we have to the motors and controls that drive a certain apparatus. 2 of the apartaus are pretty antiquated as far as technology goes . In short they run of DC motors and are driven by plcs in the picture below. I'm trying to understand how these things work so I. Can troubleshoot . Most of the faluts we get are armature over voltage are there any plc guys here that can point me.in a direction on where to find some study materials videos etc.
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It's a SLC 5/1 plc. It's pretty much obsolete. Programming it works the same way as micrologix 1400 1100 even uses the same software. You could probably take a class from your local AB distributor.

The Reliance drives are pretty much gone. They were bought by AB to kill off a competitor.

You might want to call AB tech support and just ask the guys there that support the Reliance product if they have any training material for it and download whatever manuals you can find on their website.

PLCs pretty much work the same from Brand to brand so if you learn on one that knowledge readily transfers to other brands. Drives are pretty much the same way.

It's a good bet to drive manual will tell you what the alarm means. Armature over-voltage probably means that you have a load that was feeding energy back into the drive and it has nowhere to go so it trips. One way to deal with this is to use four-quadrant drives so the energy can go back to the line.
 
That was the Cadillac of PLC's back when I did programming.

From the SLC initials, everyone just called it a slick - (SLiCk).
 
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It's a good bet to drive manual will tell you what the alarm means. Armature over-voltage probably means that you have a load that was feeding energy back into the drive and it has nowhere to go so it trips. One way to deal with this is to use four-quadrant drives so the energy can go back to the line.
As Bob says, your fault has to do with the DC Drive, not the PLC. The PLC is likely "talking" to the drive in some way and might be recording and displaying the fault for you, but it's being done by the drive. He's also correct in what that fault means. I believe that drive IS already a 4 quadrant drive, meaning it should be capable of putting the excess energy back into the line rather than trip off. So it might be that someone has turned that off not knowing what it meant, or it could be a failing component in the drive.

It might be a good idea to call A-Bs field service on this one. Probably 50% of their Field Service Engineers came with the Reliance merger, that's mostly what they were after, because as a competitor, Reliance had already faded. But the good news is that it's highly likely that the FSE they send you will know all about that drive. But don't delay, most of them are now approaching retirement age!. The bad news is that many of the components in those drives are no longer manufactured, so it might end up that it can't be fixed (if it's bad) and replacement may be the best course of action. The SLC500s are also getting old and although not officially obsolete yet, it's coming in the next couple of years because parts are also getting less available. So in the long run, that should be considered too.

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Sorry, my mistake, that version (S6) of the Flexpak 3000 is NOT 4 quadrant (regenerative). it needed to be an S6R. So in the original design of your machine, either it is never supposed to be turning faster than the drive tells it (no overhauling load), or they were dealing with braking in some other way and that has stopped functioning.
 
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Thank you guys for all your input I'm going to try to get in touch with somebody from AB today but before I do what could be the possible causes of a load feeding into the drive is it a programming issue or a problem with the motor

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Thank you guys for all your input I'm going to try to get in touch with somebody from AB today but before I do what could be the possible causes of a load feeding into the drive is it a programming issue or a problem with the motor

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It is mostly mechanical in nature. For instance you may have an elevator. When it goes up it works against gravity and stores energy in the form of potential energy. When it goes down that energy ends up back in the drive unless it is used up by friction or a break or some other means
 
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