Please help. Afci/Gfci combo 2-pole 50A

[CaSparky96]

I’m going to install an induction stovetop that requires a 2-pole 50 amp breaker. The sub panel is homeline by square D, and if I understand correctly the 2023 code says I need a combo breaker… I can not find a 50 amp combo breaker! Does one exist?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I believe you need a dp 50 gfci not an afci

 

[roger]

I agree with Dennis, you only need GFCI protection.

 

[CaSparky96]

That is what I thought but the new 2023 code changed that from what I understand

 

[CaSparky96]

That is what I thought but the new 2023 code changed that from what I understand

Sorry, after reading more carefully I noticed all 15-20 amp circuits needs both afci and gfci, but correct me if I’m wrong 50 amp only needs gfci. Thank you for your inputs!

 

[curt swartz]

Combination does not mean GFCI. Its the type of AFCI required starting with the 2008 NEC that is supposed to detect Parallel and Series Arc's.

A Dual Function breaker is a combination AFCI and GFCI.

 

[CaSparky96]

Combination does not mean GFCI. Its the type of AFCI required starting with the 2008 NEC that is supposed to detect Parallel and Series Arc's.

A Dual Function breaker is a combination AFCI and GFCI.

Yes I am aware of this thank you

 

[Seven-Delta-FortyOne]

We’re on the 2022 California electrical code which is based on the 2020 NEC.

And I haven’t heard anything about AFCI protection being required on anything above 20 amp circuits, even in the 2023.

 

[kwired]

We’re on the 2022 California electrical code which is based on the 2020 NEC.

And I haven’t heard anything about AFCI protection being required on anything above 20 amp circuits, even in the 2023.

Kind of doubt anyone even makes any AFCI's that are not 15 or 20 amp as NEC simply has not required them for anything but 15 and 20 amp 120 volt circuits so far. May be some 2 pole versions to be able to handle multiwire branch circuits but again only in 15 and 20 amp.

 

[CaSparky96]

Kind of doubt anyone even makes any AFCI's that are not 15 or 20 amp as NEC simply has not required them for anything but 15 and 20 amp 120 volt circuits so far. May be some 2 pole versions to be able to handle multiwire branch circuits but again only in 15 and 20 amp.

yes, there are new changes in the 2023 code relating to afci and gfci required locations. They even added 10 amp breakers to the list of afci breakers lol but who is going to use a 10 amp breaker?

 

[Birken Vogt]

yes, there are new changes in the 2023 code relating to afci and gfci required locations. They even added 10 amp breakers to the list of afci breakers lol but who is going to use a 10 amp breaker?

It is because 14 copper clad aluminum or 16 copper are in the works for future lighting circuits because they carry all of 50-100 watts with LEDs these days.

 

[LarryFine]

I don't see the advantage of intentionally installing a circuit that can supply fewer lights.

 

[Birken Vogt]

I don't see the advantage of intentionally installing a circuit that can supply fewer lights.

The advantage is to save money I guess.

You could light my entire house with about 400 watts now. In 1975 they built it with 12 gauge wire. I'd say that is overkill.

 

[kwired]

Getting back to OP, GFCI only applies to receptacles in this sort of situation, a direct connected appliance would not require any GFCI protection.

 

[Fred B]

yes, there are new changes in the 2023 code relating to afci and gfci required locations. They even added 10 amp breakers to the list of afci breakers lol but who is going to use a 10 amp breaker?

Not for a kitchen anyhow. Maybe on lighting circuits.

 

[kwired]

Not for a kitchen anyhow. Maybe on lighting circuits.

Yes on lighting circuits. The required 20 amp branch circuits for a dwelling such as SABC's, laundry, bath receptacles.... are all still there.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Here is what the 2023 states

(B) Dwelling Units.
All 120-volt, single-phase, 10-, 15-, and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets or devices installed in the following locations shall be protected by any of the means described in 210.12(A)(1) through (A)(6):

• (1)
  Kitchens
• (2)
  Family rooms
• (3)
  Dining rooms
• (4)
  Living rooms
• (5)
  Parlors
• (6)
  Libraries
• (7)
  Dens
• (8)
  Bedrooms
• (9)
  Sunrooms
• (10)
  Recreation rooms
• (11)
  Closets
• (12)
  Hallways
• (13)
  Laundry areas
• (14)
  Similar areas

Exception No. 1:
AFCI protection shall not be required for an individual branch circuit supplying a fire alarm system installed in accordance with 760.41(B) or 760.121(B). The branch circuit shall be installed in a metal raceway, metal auxiliary gutter, steel-armored cable, or Type MC or Type AC cable meeting the applicable requirements of 250.118, with metal boxes, conduit bodies, and enclosures.
Exception No. 2:
AFCI protection shall not be required for the individual branch circuit supplying an outlet for arc welding equipment in a dwelling unit until January 1, 2025.