Please help. Afci/Gfci combo 2-pole 50A

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CaSparky96

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I’m going to install an induction stovetop that requires a 2-pole 50 amp breaker. The sub panel is homeline by square D, and if I understand correctly the 2023 code says I need a combo breaker… I can not find a 50 amp combo breaker! Does one exist?
 
I agree with Dennis, you only need GFCI protection.
 
We’re on the 2022 California electrical code which is based on the 2020 NEC.

And I haven’t heard anything about AFCI protection being required on anything above 20 amp circuits, even in the 2023.
 
Seven-Delta-FortyOne said:
We’re on the 2022 California electrical code which is based on the 2020 NEC.

And I haven’t heard anything about AFCI protection being required on anything above 20 amp circuits, even in the 2023.
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Kind of doubt anyone even makes any AFCI's that are not 15 or 20 amp as NEC simply has not required them for anything but 15 and 20 amp 120 volt circuits so far. May be some 2 pole versions to be able to handle multiwire branch circuits but again only in 15 and 20 amp.
 
kwired said:
Kind of doubt anyone even makes any AFCI's that are not 15 or 20 amp as NEC simply has not required them for anything but 15 and 20 amp 120 volt circuits so far. May be some 2 pole versions to be able to handle multiwire branch circuits but again only in 15 and 20 amp.
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yes, there are new changes in the 2023 code relating to afci and gfci required locations. They even added 10 amp breakers to the list of afci breakers lol but who is going to use a 10 amp breaker?
 
CaSparky96 said:
yes, there are new changes in the 2023 code relating to afci and gfci required locations. They even added 10 amp breakers to the list of afci breakers lol but who is going to use a 10 amp breaker?
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It is because 14 copper clad aluminum or 16 copper are in the works for future lighting circuits because they carry all of 50-100 watts with LEDs these days.
 
Getting back to OP, GFCI only applies to receptacles in this sort of situation, a direct connected appliance would not require any GFCI protection.
 
CaSparky96 said:
yes, there are new changes in the 2023 code relating to afci and gfci required locations. They even added 10 amp breakers to the list of afci breakers lol but who is going to use a 10 amp breaker?
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Not for a kitchen anyhow. Maybe on lighting circuits.
 
Here is what the 2023 states

(B) Dwelling Units.
All 120-volt, single-phase, 10-, 15-, and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets or devices installed in the following locations shall be protected by any of the means described in 210.12(A)(1) through (A)(6):
  • (1)
    Kitchens
  • (2)
    Family rooms
  • (3)
    Dining rooms
  • (4)
    Living rooms
  • (5)
    Parlors
  • (6)
    Libraries
  • (7)
    Dens
  • (8)
    Bedrooms
  • (9)
    Sunrooms
  • (10)
    Recreation rooms
  • (11)
    Closets
  • (12)
    Hallways
  • (13)
    Laundry areas
  • (14)
    Similar areas


Exception No. 1:
AFCI protection shall not be required for an individual branch circuit supplying a fire alarm system installed in accordance with 760.41(B) or 760.121(B). The branch circuit shall be installed in a metal raceway, metal auxiliary gutter, steel-armored cable, or Type MC or Type AC cable meeting the applicable requirements of 250.118, with metal boxes, conduit bodies, and enclosures.
Exception No. 2:
AFCI protection shall not be required for the individual branch circuit supplying an outlet for arc welding equipment in a dwelling unit until January 1, 2025.
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