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had discussion with plumber here in central mn on what he can technically hook up as far as wiring goes when replacing existing furnace and equipment,i didnt think he could legally do hookups on line side but he insisted on proving me wrong,anyone have any thoughts or experience on this,thanks
 
Around here a plumber can get a special license to hook up an electric water heater if you are exchanging like for like.
 
When the HVAC contractor replaced the AC portion, I know they didn't bring in an EC just to remove and reinstall the power to the compressor. Legal? I dunno, and I'm not the AHJ.
 
There is some kind of limited dispensation here for HVAC guys to do some electrical work. I am not sure what the extent of it is.
 
It all depends on where you are.
In Overland Park, Kansas there's only one permit pulled on every job. If it's one trade, it's specific for him. But if it's more than one trade, it's just a building permit.

Once a licensed contractor pulls a building permit, it covers all trades and they don't care who does the work. They only care that it passes inspection.
 
James L said:
It all depends on where you are.
In Overland Park, Kansas there's only one permit pulled on every job. If it's one trade, it's specific for him. But if it's more than one trade, it's just a building permit.

Once a licensed contractor pulls a building permit, it covers all trades and they don't care who does the work. They only care that it passes inspection.
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We are trying to wrap up a job where we did parts and smarts for the fire alarm. There was one main permit and at least 3 sub-permits, each with the main permit number and a +A, +B, and +C suffix respectively.
 
gadfly56 said:
We are trying to wrap up a job where we did parts and smarts for the fire alarm. There was one main permit and at least 3 sub-permits, each with the main permit number and a +A, +B, and +C suffix respectively.
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We have something around 175 municipalities here and I can only think of 2 that require separate permits for the subs. Most have one permit with write-in subs. As long as the sub is licensed in that municipality, there are no other questions asked.

Some of the general contractors write in a sub they know is licensed, then they have somebody else do the work.
 
James L said:
Some of the general contractors write in a sub they know is licensed, then they have somebody else do the work.
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Out town is small enough that they will check up on somebody doing that. The inspector knows everybody’s style too. I roughed in a house in conduit for another contractor, it was a favor because he couldn’t run conduit.
It was on his license anyway. He added some more runs, and asked the inspector if he could tell the difference. Inspector said “yes, yes I can” and laughed!
 
In MA a person with an "Oil Burner License" can replace existing equipment using the same circuit and can run up to 10' of emt. He is supposed to get a electrical permit. They are the only people "outside the electrical trade" that are allowed to do anything

From what I have seen HVAC does more electrical work that the electricians. They are not supposed to. They do what they wan't unless they get caught. Plumbers hook up water heaters , disposals and dishwashers all the time on replacements
 
hillbilly1 said:
Out town is small enough that they will check up on somebody doing that. The inspector knows everybody’s style too. I roughed in a house in conduit for another contractor, it was a favor because he couldn’t run conduit.
It was on his license anyway. He added some more runs, and asked the inspector if he could tell the difference. Inspector said “yes, yes I can” and laughed!
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A few of our municipalities here are similar.

Edwardsville, Kansas and Shawnee, Kansas require a signed affidavit by EC saying they (or their company employees) personally did all the electrical work related to the permit.

Parkville, Missouri and Blue Springs, Missouri each have one inspector. They have both told me they knew my work immediately when walking into a job.
 
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