POCO changing 480 service setups

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ivsenroute

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We just had a great presentationb by one of the POCOs in our area on a new program they recently rolled out and are tweaking.

It only involves both single phase and 3phase 480 services up to 400A.

Basically they are now doing self contained metering but it changes how we set up the service. The POCO is specifying all of the equipment which is much more expensive but takes up less room.

Whether OH or UG the first stop the service makes is to a disconnect BEFORE the meter. The disconnect must be a circuit breaker type spec'd out by the POCO. From there it goes to the meter base then to another disconnect that must be within site of the meter base and line side disconnect.

For purposes of grounding, the main service disconnect will be on the load side of the meter so anything after that is a sub-feed.

This will allow their technicians to service the meter while having both disconnects (one on each side of the meter) visibly locked out. The purpose of the disconnect on the load side within site is to protect against any possible generator currents that may be present.

The load side disconnect can be a fused disconnect but the line side must be of the CB type and is very expensive. Only one manufacturer has come out with a line side disconnect/meter base combo unit and that is Milbank.

This service will only be available for 1ph 240/480 or 277/480 and 480/277 4 wire Wye. It is not available for 3 wire 3ph 480v services.

They were nice enough to give all of us handouts with detailed drawings of the different type services and their requirements.

Is anyone else in another area already using this type of setup?
 

ivsenroute

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Florida
This is actually very new to our area and was developed because of the increased demands for 480v systems. Their pilot program was for a shopping center and mall.

Yes, they are calling it "Cold Sequence" Self Contained Metering. It costs the POCO a lot less money.

Up until this "new" program, they were still using a 4'x4' cabinet, CT mounting bridge , CT's, VTs, metering panel, cable and a secondary meter.

How long have you folks had cold sequencing?
 
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iwire

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This is actually very new to our area and was developed because of the increased demands for 480v systems. Their pilot program was for a shopping center and mall.

Where I am almost any commercial building gets a 480Y/277 service.

Yes, they are calling it "Cold Sequence" Self Contained Metering. It costs the POCO a lot less money.

Here it does not change the cost to the power company at all. The EC / customer always pays for all the equipment.

The big change is now the metering crews do not have to work hot on services that could blow up in their face like a small bomb.

How long have you folks had cold sequencing?

15 years at least on services above 250 volts to ground. However they do not require us to place a second disconnect on the load side.
 

hillbilly1

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North Georgia mountains
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Apparently it is coming to Georgia too, just had an inspector say that the POCO in that jurisdiction has started that. Talked to the engineer at this POCO, and he did not mention it, as I forgot to ask him about it, he just sold me a gigantic CT can (they are now requiring a 3'X3', instead of a 2'X2' for a 400 amp service) and meter base. I was already cramped for space, and had to relocate the house panel (landlord's) at a 45 degree angle to keep working clearances, If they had required two disconnects, the upgrade would have been impossible to perform without major renovation. Bad design to begin with, Freestanding wall about 25' from building, totally filled with panels, no room for expansion. What makes things even worse, is that on phase two, I have to add five 400 amp and one 200 amp transfer switches to this service with a single one meg generator.
 

hillbilly1

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Never seen it down here in the south, and most of the services up north I work on are 1200 amp or more, which is probably why I have not noticed it up north.
 

peter d

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New England
As an aside, cold sequence metering is also required here on services that are fed from a network system (which have extremely high levels of available fault current.)
 
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