Pool and lightning

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I am just curious?
After being ask to ?get out of the pool? cause thunder was heard and watching people stand around under umbrellas that were connect to long metal poles and trees and out in the open, has anyone every heard of lightning hitting a pool?
 

Dennis Alwon

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Lightning hit an indoor pool in Beaupr?, Que. on Tuesday,July 19, 2000 electrifying the water.
The 20 people swimming in the pool when the lightning struck were brought to hospital as a preventive measure. Apparently they lived
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2000/07/19/lightning000719.html


Man dies in pool lightning strike
A Devon man has been killed by lightning while on holiday in Italy.
Michael Haffenden, 50, was dangling his legs in a swimming pool at a villa in Tuscany when the storm struck.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/5213234.stm

Two quick searches on google--- so yes lighting does strike pools and kill people.
 

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Interesting Article on Lightning Safety and Pools:


More Thoughts on Lightning Safety and Pools

By Richard Kithil, President & CEO, NLSI

The adoption by many water safety groups of our indoor pool suspension rules when lightning is observed has created questions among responsible officials and individuals. Some additional information may be helpful.

We at NLSI could find no reports of deaths or injuries in indoor pools related to lightning causes. “We could find no reports” means just that. There may be such instances, but they were unreported if they happened. This is not surprising since the overall annual U.S. government lightning deaths and injuries statistics are known to be underreported by some 30%. Furthermore, as they say in the legal profession, “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
There are many reported and verifiable incidents of lightning incidents in home bathtubs. The exact mechanism varies. Could be lightning attachment to copper water pipes. Could be contact with nearby electrical circuit such as a light switch or outlet. If it can happen in a tub, it can happen in a pool, no?
The physics of the event are well understood: when a body is free-floating in water, it is not a part of any circuit path (this does not account for “direct lightning strikes”) and cannot receive shocks. When a body in water is in contact with a circuit path, it will conduct current. “In contact” can mean:
Feet on the pool floor
Touching sides of the pool
In contact with ladders, underwater lights, railings, etc.
Persons not in the water but inside a pool building who are a part of the circuit path also can become victims, just as they may be at risk in any dwelling. Wet floors at pool facilities are very good conductors.

NLSI operates under the principle that safety has priority over any other issues. “Safety is the prevailing directive” says the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers. We have adopted that slogan. In almost any situation where lightning could threaten, moving from a high-risk situation to a low-risk location is recommended. A super-conservative attitude? Yes, we are guilty as charged. But, as an aquatics professional, there is no way I am going to make a telephone call to a next-of-kin to say an unfortunate accident has occurred on my watch.

We summarize our views: “At the first signs of thunder or lightning, all pool activities should be suspended (showers, too) until 30 minutes after the last observed thunder or lightning.” Hear thunder after 27 minutes of activity suspension? Start your 30-minute clock all over again.

One final thought: Lightning safety for outdoor pools deserves some consideration, too. In short:

Places outside simply have degrees of “more safe” and “less safe” with respect to lightning — no place is absolutely safe.
Indirect effects of lightning need to be considered. Lightning can travel considerable distances horizontally on the surface of the earth. “Radial arcing” on conductive (wet from rain?) ground has been observed up to 40m. Lightning striking a metal conductor (for example, fence wires) and then traveling for many kilometers has been observed. Lightning striking trees and other tall objects with consequential “flashover” to people has also been observed. Two dangerous mechanism for people may be present:
Touch voltages — People touching or resting against metal conductors. Sitting on metal bleachers or leaning against conductive light poles are but two examples.
Step voltage — When lightning strikes nearby, voltages and currents diminish with distance: about 50% per meter depending on the conductor. Remember, lightning contains hundreds of millions of volts. Say that voltage V1 intercepts a grounded foot closest to the ground strike. Say that a lesser voltage, V2, intercepts the more distant foot. The two voltages must find equalization via a common circuit path: up one leg — across the chest/abdomen — and down the other leg.
Small shelters intended for sun and rain protection cannot be made 100% safe for people. Evacuation to a large permanent structure by large crowds in a short time may not be possible.
Early warning of the hazard is essential. Disruption of activities with all of its unhappy consequences is inevitable. “Safety is the prevailing directive.”
 

don_resqcapt19

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The physics of the event are well understood: when a body is free-floating in water, it is not a part of any circuit path (this does not account for “direct lightning strikes”) and cannot receive shocks.
I have a problem with that statement. If there is current flow in the water, you are in parallel with the water and will be shocked based of the voltage drop over the lenght of your body.
Don
 

RayS

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don_resqcapt19 said:
I have a problem with that statement. If there is current flow in the water, you are in parallel with the water and will be shocked based of the voltage drop over the lenght of your body.
Don

yep. And the interior of the body has a low resistance, and there will be a large,saturated contact area
 

sparky59

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lightning doesn't know the rules...it does whatever it wants to do....and sometimes twice in the same place.
 
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