pool feeders

[paul renshaw]

680.25 says that the wiring of a feeder on the supply side of a panelboard must be in some type of raceway. Is one of those combination panel/timer boxes considered a panelboard? It would seem to me that the wiring feeding one of these would have to comply with this if you look at the definition of a feeder and a branch circuit. I see these fed with romex all the time, is there something that permits this? Or is it a violation? Thank You. Paul R.

 

[bill addiss]

Re: pool feeders

Paul,

There is an exception to 680.25(A) that may explain what you've seen. I think the exception for existing feeders gets abused quite often.

Bill

[ September 26, 2003, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: bill addiss ]

 

[earlydean]

Re: pool feeders

Panelboard. A single panel or group of panel units designed for assembly in the form of a single panel, including buses and automatic overcurrent devices, and equipped with or without switches for the control of light, heat, or power circuits; designed to be placed in a cabinet or cutout box placed in or against a wall, partition, or other support; and accessible only from the front.

Sounds like you have a panel to me. Unless your "panel" is merely an OC device.

Earl

PS Just because "everybody does it" doesn't make it right, or in this case code compliant.

 

[paul renshaw]

Re: pool feeders

I told a guy yesterday that it was wrong, and that was his exact response "everybody does it that way around here". There is so much stuff that gets let go by the inspectors in my area that it is unbelievable. I addressed some of these issues at a local code change seminar(hosted by the local agency), and thought I might be shot before I left there. They are spread so thin, and have to do all the inspections(plmbg,hvac,framing,elec,etc), to me you can not expect one man to do all of these properly, so I do not blame them.

 

[Guest]

Re: pool feeders

The way I had an AHJ explain it to me years ago was that Romex did not have an insulated green ground. (ala 680.25). I asked about running a separate insulated green ground but then the AHJ told me it really, really had to be in pipe (ala 680.25[A]).

I say "ala" because in 1993 the code citation(s) were slightly different.

The 680.25(A) Exception only applies to existing cable-assembly (covered cable)-- or flex that has an insulated green ground. My interpretation is that Romex is a covered cable-assembly. Please set me straight if I am wrong.

But it's a new install, so the exception does not apply.

[ September 26, 2003, 10:08 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]

 

[bill addiss]

Re: pool feeders

The 680.25(A) Exception only applies to existing cable-assembly (covered cable)-- or flex that has an insulated green ground. My interpretation is that Romex is a covered cable-assembly. Please set me straight if I am wrong.

???

 

[a.wayne3@verizon.net]

Re: pool feeders

We work in 5 seperate jurisdiction and only 1 has an addendum that pool feeds are to be in pipe,all others are run 30 amp -10/3 nm 50 amp - 6/3 nm

 

[paul renshaw]

Re: pool feeders

what does this addendum say? if it is a new feeder, the code requires that it be in a raceway. when you say pool feeds, is it a feeder or a branch circuit? that makes a difference.

[ September 29, 2003, 06:51 AM: Message edited by: paul renshaw ]