Pool gfci and insulated ground confirmation question.

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Can I make a general statement. Please confirm and/or correct thank you.

1. An insulated ground conductor is needed for a pool panel feeder and motor circuit.. direct connect and receptacle (motor exception inside single family ).
2. All other pool related equipment (heater, salt dispenser, Ionizer etc) do not require a insulated egc. This also includes the "pool light".

3. Gfci protection is required for pool pumps, and pool lighting.
4. No gfci protection is required for heaters, salt dispenser, Ionizer etc..

Is this correct.
Thank you
Rich
 
ritelec said:
Can I make a general statement. Please confirm and/or correct thank you.

1. An insulated ground conductor is needed for a pool panel feeder and motor circuit.. direct connect and receptacle (motor exception inside single family ).
2. All other pool related equipment (heater, salt dispenser, Ionizer etc) do not require a insulated egc. This also includes the "pool light".

3. Gfci protection is required for pool pumps, and pool lighting.
4. No gfci protection is required for heaters, salt dispenser, Ionizer etc..

Is this correct.
Thank you
Rich
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I haven't looked it up and never gave any thought to NOT using an insulated EGC for pool equipment. Since all I've ever seen required using conduit/raceway (excluding equipment that has a plug cap & cord) I use THWN. Pool lights do require an insulated EGC and also bonding jumper if needed in a wet niche, has to be insulated.
Since you can't put NM in a raceway outside, I don't see why you would have anything but an insulated EGC. Unless it's UF, but wants to use that in a conduit and who likes to strip that stuff?

Other than required for pool pumps, GFCI protection only applies if the equipment is plugged in and 120V, assuming it's outside or areas that require GFCI. Pool lights, only for line voltage, 15V and under no GFCI.
Some equipment specs may call for GFCI

With that said, I usually GFCI everything in a pool panel with few exceptions such as a post light or similar.
 
Little Bill said:
Pool lights do require an insulated EGC and also bonding jumper if needed in a wet niche, has to be insulated.
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Thank you.. I've always thought insulated, then thought I saw something in my googling that said not..
confirmed with 680.23F1

As you, I usually wire in thhn/thwn but just started thinking about it then I read a post about feeding a heater with a circ. that didn't have an insulated ground.


So this would be more correct ?

1. An insulated ground conductor is needed for a pool panel feeder, pool light and motor circuit.. direct connect and receptacle (motor exception inside single family ).
2. All other pool related equipment (heater, salt dispenser, Ionizer etc) do not require a insulated egc.

3. Gfci protection is required for pool pumps, and 120v pool lighting.
4. No gfci protection is required for heaters, salt dispenser, Ionizer etc..
5. No gfci protection for LV pool lighting unless manufacture specs.

Thank you
 
Little Bill said:
Other than required for pool pumps, GFCI protection only applies if the equipment is plugged in and 120V, assuming it's outside or areas that require GFCI.
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assuming.. it is possible that an indoor pool with a receptacle that had equipment other than a pool pump plugged into it.. would not need an insulated ground or need to be gfci protected.
 
If I may make a generalized statement, I do not pull uninsulated EGC for any 680 installs, because it's easier to not remember the exceptions where it's allowed. Existing install, yeah, I'll crack open the book, but new, that wire is insulated whether it needs it or not. Going above Code is never wrong.
 
The pool light must be run in conduit so it is highly unlikely one would run an uninsulated conductor for the equipment grounding conductor, however, the code does not appear to require the equipment grounding conductor to be insulated.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
The pool light must be run in conduit so it is highly unlikely one would run an uninsulated conductor for the equipment grounding conductor, however, the code does not appear to require the equipment grounding conductor to be insulated.
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680.23 (F) 1 and 2 ??
 
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