Pool insulated ground except inside the house?

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Stevenfyeager

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Pools require insulated ground but what about inside the house? Running romex inside for that circuit doesn’t have an insulated ground just probably a “jacketed ground “or a “sheathed ground “ like UF does. And I know UF fails an inspection. Thanks.
 
NM cable is permitted within the house. Once you exit the house the EGC is required to be insulated.
 
What circuit? A pool panel feeder? A pump circuit? A pool light circuit? The general receptacles around the pool?
When you say inside the house, do you mean the portion of a circuit going to an outdoor pool that is inside the house, or is the whole pool inside?
 
infinity said:
NM cable is permitted within the house. Once you exit the house the EGC is required to be insulated.
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The 2017 changed the requirement for the EGC to be insulated for pump motors and some other enclosures. Unless its in a corrosive environment such as listed in 680.14, then you can use bare and also use Chapter 3 wiring methods.
 
Pool pump for an above ground outside pool. ( I had an inspector tell me one year that I can't use UF, because it doesn't have an insulated ground.) I have another question. I may run a second circuit for the customer in the same outside pvc conduit. Usually only one ground per conduit is required. That still holds true here ? I. e., the pool pump circuit does not require its own ground, does it ? Thanks.
 
Little Bill said:
The 2017 changed the requirement for the EGC to be insulated for pump motors and some other enclosures. Unless its in a corrosive environment such as listed in 680.14, then you can use bare and also use Chapter 3 wiring methods.
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Where does it say uninsulated, all I see is insulated? ( 680.21 (A)(1) ) Thank you
Dirty rats took out 680.21 (A) (4) One-Family dwelling interior wiring bare egc .... the humanity !
 
ritelec said:
Where does it say uninsulated, all I see is insulated? ( 680.21 (A)(4) ) Thank you
Dirty rats took out 680.21 (A) (4) One-Family dwelling interior wiring bare egc .... the humanity !
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680.21(A)(1)

Where installed in noncorrosive environments, branch
circuits shall comply with the general requirements in Chapter
3.
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Chapter 3 methods would allow bare/uninsulated
 
Right you are, I should have kept reading (A)(1) ... (A)(4) was a typo...

SO is this now saying all installs (not just single family) a uninsulated ground can be installed?

Where if any where is a separation (indoor outdoor) when it needs to be insulated?
 
680.23 (F)(1) branch circuit wiring for underwater luminaires says the same as the motor branch circuit? No insulated ground needed?

What gives? Where does the insulated ground in 680.23 (F)(2) originate?
 
Not sure if it was covered in the ceu or if I wasn't paying attention. but looks like feeders and circuits if not in "corrosive environment" no longer require a insulated egc.

Unless I'm missing it but even up to the motor.

Luminaires call for a insulated egc (F2) but the circuit doesn't. At which point in the circuit is the transition from non insulated to insulated for a luminaire?


Or you know what... maybe just install insulated grounds as before and move on???smh
 
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