george t. everett
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If you pipe directly from the main panel to the pool light, is it permissible to rum a 12-2NM switch loop from the panel to a switch location within the house?
Pool light switch
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Re: Pool light switch
George,
Sorry not to be more helpful but swimming pool questions have not been too popular here. I am still trying to figure out who the pool expert is here.
I've wired a lot of tubs & spas in my day but the majority of my experience is dated, dusty, and rusty. If nothing else is proper you could always do it with a low-voltage remote switching control, or an air-switch. Is X-10 type technology kosher on a pool light? If so, that would be worth exploring. There is also RF stuff that might be appropriate. Leviton has an RF series. It's way pricey compared to X-10-type technology. You may also explore doing a cube relay in a J-box.
Sorry, that's all I've got. Maybe a call to the AHJ?
George,
Sorry not to be more helpful but swimming pool questions have not been too popular here. I am still trying to figure out who the pool expert is here.
I've wired a lot of tubs & spas in my day but the majority of my experience is dated, dusty, and rusty. If nothing else is proper you could always do it with a low-voltage remote switching control, or an air-switch. Is X-10 type technology kosher on a pool light? If so, that would be worth exploring. There is also RF stuff that might be appropriate. Leviton has an RF series. It's way pricey compared to X-10-type technology. You may also explore doing a cube relay in a J-box.
Sorry, that's all I've got. Maybe a call to the AHJ?
pierre
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Re: Pool light switch
George
Maybe a little more info would be helpful in determining what you are trying to ask. Remember that the equipment ground conductor is to be insulated for pool wiring. There is relief in the requirement, in that the wiring related to a pool inside the building can be a Chapter 3 wiring method, which would permit NM cable.
Also you mention piping directly to the pool light, the requirement for a listed deck box has to be met, with all of the requirements for the deck box as well.
Pierre
George
Maybe a little more info would be helpful in determining what you are trying to ask. Remember that the equipment ground conductor is to be insulated for pool wiring. There is relief in the requirement, in that the wiring related to a pool inside the building can be a Chapter 3 wiring method, which would permit NM cable.
Also you mention piping directly to the pool light, the requirement for a listed deck box has to be met, with all of the requirements for the deck box as well.
Pierre
curt swartz
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Re: Pool light switch
Pierre,
The exception the allows Chapter 3 wiring methods to be used for the wiring methods within one-family dwellings is for motor circuits and does not apply to lighting circuits. See 680.23(F) for the wiring methods permitted.
George, as long as your wiring methods supplying the pool lighting circuit comply with 680.23(F) I don't see a problem with coming off a junction box in this circuit with NM cable for a switch leg. Another option is to run ENT (smurf tub) which is one of the permitted wiring methods within buildings.
Pierre,
The exception the allows Chapter 3 wiring methods to be used for the wiring methods within one-family dwellings is for motor circuits and does not apply to lighting circuits. See 680.23(F) for the wiring methods permitted.
George, as long as your wiring methods supplying the pool lighting circuit comply with 680.23(F) I don't see a problem with coming off a junction box in this circuit with NM cable for a switch leg. Another option is to run ENT (smurf tub) which is one of the permitted wiring methods within buildings.
george t. everett
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Re: Pool light switch
Pierre,
I am sorry I was not clear in my question. The piping would run directly from the panel to the deck box. My thoughts are that if the grounding conductor is uninterupted to the light juction box , why could I not use NM as a switch loop within the house. Some inspectors require it to be inclosed in conduit as per art.680.
Pierre,
I am sorry I was not clear in my question. The piping would run directly from the panel to the deck box. My thoughts are that if the grounding conductor is uninterupted to the light juction box , why could I not use NM as a switch loop within the house. Some inspectors require it to be inclosed in conduit as per art.680.
pierre
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Re: Pool light switch
Curt
Nicely done! You forced
me to look in the NEC and sure enough for pool luminaires, 680.23(F)(1) does not allow the same relief as for feeders.
So George you will need a raceway as described, with an insulated ground.
As I am always saying it pays to read the wording before speaking, and Curt has just proved the reason why.
Pierre
Curt
Nicely done! You forced
me to look in the NEC and sure enough for pool luminaires, 680.23(F)(1) does not allow the same relief as for feeders.So George you will need a raceway as described, with an insulated ground.
As I am always saying it pays to read the wording before speaking, and Curt has just proved the reason why.
Pierre
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