Pool motor gfci protection

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Alan D. Brotz

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Looking for reasons behind the new NEC requirement for GFCI protection on all swimming pool pump motors...shocks, deaths, or any information in general that lead to this change. A local chapter of pool contractors is fighting to have this requirement removed...complaining about the added cost to building a pool. Cost is never to be an issue if safety can be improved. Thanks for the help.
 

iwire

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As a part of the total cost of building a swimming pool, I would think GFCI protection would be but a small fraction.

I agree.

I can't even believe they could say that with a straight face, the GFCI adds to much to the cost??? Give me a break.:roll:

Anyway here is some info. Pay attention to the Substantiation and panel statements. Notice it was rejected in the first round.

This is from the ROP

17-85 Log #3493 NEC-P17 Final Action: Reject
(680.22)
____________________________________________________________
TCC Action: It was the action of the Technical Correlating Committee that
further consideration be given to the comments expressed in the voting.
This action will be considered by the panel as a public comment.
Submitter: Alan Manche, Square D Co.
Recommendation: Revise NEC 680.22 by deleting the last sentence of
680.22(A)(5), insert 680.22(B) as provided below, and renumber existing (B)
as (C). Revise NEC 680.22 with the additions (underlined) and deletions (strike
through) as shown. The entire text of 680.22(A)(5) is shown for clarity, but
only those changes shown underlined or strike through are part of this proposal.
(5) GFCI Protection. All 15- and 20-ampere, single-phase, 125-volt
receptacles located within 6.0 m (20 ft) of the inside walls of a pool shall be
protected by a ground-fault circuit interrupter. Receptacles that supply pool
pump motors and that are rated 15 or 20 amperes, 125 volts through 250 volts,
single phase, shall be provided with GFCI protection.
(B) GFCI Protection. Outlets supplying pool pump motors from branch
circuits with short-circuit and ground-fault protection rated 15 or 20 amperes,
125 volt or 240 volt, single phase, whether by receptacle or direct connection,
shall be provided with ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.


Substantiation: This proposal reinstates the 1999 Code language requiring
GFCI protection on single phase hard-wired pump motors. This is an important
safety issue that should be reconsidered. Significant support exists as the panel
has not provided an explanation as to why a cord and plug connected pump is
more of a hazard than a hard-wired device as this is exactly what this
requirement is stating. A similar proposal was made during the 2005 NEC
cycle which the panel rejected, however, the Electrical Section supported a
floor action to require single phase hard-wired pumps to be GFCI protected.
The discussion on the floor supported the inclusion, but the wording was
slightly flawed. This proposed wording change is identical to that proposed in
the comment stage of the for the 2005 NEC by a supported of the original
proposal.
The panel needs to provide an explanation for not requiring protection on a
hard-wire system. The only difference between the hard-wired and the cord and
plug pumps is the electrical connection, which is the receptacle interface. If the
connection is the issue due to human interface or corrosion, it would appear the
code panel would required a hard-wire connection of these pumps and restrict
this installation from a receptacle connection. If the panel is truly concerned
about electrical shock, which appears to be where industry support lies at this
point, then why is a cord and plug connection treated differently than a hardwired
connection?
I urge the panel to address the electrical safety issue at hand with a solid
electrical safety answer by requiring GFCI protection on single phase hardwired
pool pump motors on 15 and 20A branch circuits as proposed.

Panel Meeting Action: Reject

Panel Statement: The intent of the panel is to require GFCI protection on
cord-and-plug-connected motors and not require GFCI protection on “hardwired”
motors.
The 1999 NEC did not require all motors to be GFCI protected. In “other
than dwelling units”, motors whether cord-and-plug-connected or by direct
connection were required to have GFCI protection. In the 2002 code-making
cycle for the NEC, the requirement for direct connected “hard-wired” motors to
be GFCI protected was removed for lack of substantiation to require it. In the
2005 code-making cycle for the NEC, proposals to require “hard-wired”
motors to be GFCI protected were not only rejected by the panel but also at the
general assembly on the floor.
The panel went back and reviewed the proposals and substantiations of the
1999 NEC on this subject. The panel has not been provided with sufficient
substantiation to change the requirements at this time.

Number Eligible to Vote: 11

Ballot Results: Affirmative: 8 Negative: 3

Explanation of Negative:


JHONSON, D.: I agree with the submitter’s point; the difference between a
hard-wired pool pump motor and cord and plug connected pool pump motor is
the receptacle connection.
The safety of the installation would be improved by requiring GFCI
protection for both hard-wired and cord and plug connected pool pump motors.
The common sense factor should be applied to the code. The majority of pool
pump motors are installed outdoors at ground level. Any incident that may
occur is potentially influenced during wet conditions.


ROCK, B.: GFCI protection of hard-wired pump motors in the 1999 NEC
provides needed safety and these requirement should be reinstated in the 2008
NEC


YASENCHAK, R.: The panel did not explain the removal of this requirement
and has not provided substantiation for not reinstalling the limitation. I
consider this a life safety hazard. These pump motors will be in a damp or wet
location and should be considered a life safety hazard. This panel has accepted
proposal 17-96 in which they stated “a life safety hazard could arise from a 30
volt outlet”, yet they are ignoring a 240V motor.
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iwire

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Now the info from the ROC

17-75 Log #1663 NEC-P17 Final Action: Accept
(680.22)
________________________________________________________
TCC Action: The Technical Correlating Committee understands that
the panel?s action to Accept Proposal 17-85 deletes the second sentence of
680.22(A)(5) in the 2005 NEC:
?Receptacles that supply pool pump motors and that are rated 15 or 20
amperes, 125 volts through 250 volts, single phase, shall be provided with
GFCI protection.?
Submitter: Brian Myers, IBEW Local Union 98

Comment on Proposal No: 17-85

Recommendation: This proposal should have been accepted.

Substantiation: Receptacle fed pump motors are already required to be GFCI
protected. Hard wired pump motors present the same hazards due to the highly
corrosive atmosphere. Pump motor seals have a limited life due to chlorines
corrosive nature.
The stated purpose of the NEC is ?the practical safeguarding of persons and
property from hazards? it is practical to provide the same level of protection for
a hard wired pump motor that is afforded to a cord and plug connected pump
motor.

Panel Meeting Action: Accept

Panel Statement: As a part of the panel?s consideration of this comment, the
panel reviewed a ?Compilation of Data from the U.S. Consumer Product Safety
Commission National Injury Information Clearinghouse? that was assembled
by a task group of the panel.
Note: Supporting material is available for review at NFPA Headquarters

Number Eligible to Vote: 11

Ballot Results: Affirmative: 8 Negative: 2

Ballot Not Returned: 1 Gill, C.

Explanation of Negative:

HIRSCH, B.: The Panel should reject this comment and this proposal since
proper substantiation was not supplied. The data presented at the meeting from
the US Consumer Product Safety Commission National Injury Information
Clearinghouse shows that of all the incidents on record, only one possible
incident is attributable to hard wire pool pump motors and the data available
on that incident is too vague to draw a positive conclusion. To implement
requirements that cannot be shown to add safety value puts an unnecessary
burden on the end use customer and does not meet the ?practical safeguarding?
purpose of the Code.

RAMIREZ, M.: The 1999 NEC did not require all motors associated with
Article 608 to be GFCI protected, in other than dwelling units. Motor, whether
cord and plugs connected or directly hard wired, were required to be GFCI
protected.
In the 2002 code cycle, the GFCI protection for hard wired (direct
connection) was eliminated because there was no substantiation to require it.
In the 2005 code cycle, the proposals to reintroduce the GFCI requirement for
?hard wired? motors was rejected by the panel and failed to acquire the votes at
the general assembly meeting.
For the 2008 code cycle, the only documentation that CPSC had in their
files was one incident dating back 20 years to back-up the theory that GFCI
protection should also include hard wired motors for pools and spas.
I conclude that, yes, cord and plug connected motors should have GFCI
protection due to possible mishandling of the cord and plug by a consumer.
There are thousands of hard wired pool associated motors without GFCI
protection without an incident including for 3 HP 30 ampere circuits or three
phase motors, pool heaters, ground level central A.C. units, swamp coolers, etc.
The requirements for a maintenance service disconnect on hard wire equipment
meets the code requirement.

Comment on Affirmative:


BLEWITT, T.: The only incident in the ?Compilation of Data from the
US Consumer Product Safety Commission National Injury Information
Clearinghouse? clearly attributed to a permanently connected swimming pool
pump indicated the unit had bare wires in the control box (?sparking was
observed?), was not grounded at all and had been repeatedly tripping its circuit
breaker.


JHONSON, D.: It has come to my attention the panel action to accept
Comment 17-75 that adopts Proposal 17-85 has an editorial issue which may
need to be addressed by the TCC. The following underlined text is the code
change resulting from the panel action. The bold italicized text seems to be
redundant and confusing. the intent to protect pool pumps receptacles or
outlets with GFCI protection wherever they may be located would be simply
accomplished with the remaining text in 680.22(B).
17-85 (680.22)
5) GFCI Protection. all 15- and 20-ampere, single-phase, 125-volt receptacles
located within 6.0 m (20 ft) of the inside walls of a pool shall be protected by a
ground-fault circuit interrupter. Receptacles that supply pool pump motors and
that are rated 15 or 20 amperes, 125 volts through 250 volts, single phase,
shall be provided with GFCI protection.
(B) GFCI Protection. Outlets supplying pool pump motors from branch
circuits with short-circuit and ground-fault protection rated 15 or 20 amperes,
125 volt or 240volt, single phase, whether by receptacle or direct connection,
shall be provided with ground fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.


ROCK, B.: NEMA supports this comment. GFCI protection of hard-wired
pump motors in the 1999 NEC provides needed safety and these requirements
should be reinstated in the 2008 NEC. The fatality cited in US CPSC National
Injury Information Clearinghouse data (INDP 990603HCN0217) supports this
position.

Sorry about the formating.
 

chris kennedy

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Location
Miami Fla.
Occupation
60 yr old tool twisting electrician
(B) GFCI Protection. Outlets supplying pool pump motors from branch
circuits with short-circuit and ground-fault protection rated 15 or 20 amperes,
125 volt or 240 volt, single phase, whether by receptacle or direct connection,
shall be provided with ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.
I wonder why this doesn't say:

'125 volt through 240volt, single phase'

I'm doing one now thats 208V single phase.
 
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