pool pump gfci
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codeunderstanding
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Re: pool pump gfci
jjackson A permanently installed pool pump hard wired does not need gfci protection. All receptacles that supply pumps rated 15and 20 amps 120v-240v needs it. 680.22
I have a question. Can you supply a pool pump with uf for a above ground permanently installed pool?
jjackson A permanently installed pool pump hard wired does not need gfci protection. All receptacles that supply pumps rated 15and 20 amps 120v-240v needs it. 680.22
I have a question. Can you supply a pool pump with uf for a above ground permanently installed pool?
pierre
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Re: pool pump gfci
680.21 Motors.
(A) Wiring Methods.
(1) General. The branch circuits for pool-associated motors shall be installed in rigid metal conduit, intermediate metal conduit, rigid nonmetallic conduit, or Type MC cable listed for the location. Other wiring methods and materials
shall be permitted in specific locations or applications as covered in this section.
(4) One-Family Dwellings. In the interior of one-family dwellings, or in the interior of accessory buildings associated with a one-family dwelling, any of the wiring methods recognized in Chapter 3 of this Code shall be permitted that comply with the provisions of this paragraph. Where run in
a raceway, the equipment grounding conductor shall be insulated. Where run in a cable assembly, the equipment grounding conductor shall be permitted to be uninsulated, but it shall be enclosed within the outer sheath of the cable
assembly.
As per (A)(1), there are 4 permitted methods, UF not being one of them.
Notice how there is a statement " Other wiring methods and materials shall be permitted in specific locations or applications as covered in this section.
Further in this section, (A)(4) permits for dwelling units interior wiring to be any permitted chapter 3 method.
To answer your question of whether UF is permitted for outdoor installation to a permanent pool, I would say no.
As per .21(B), for double insulated motors, any chapter 3 method that is permitted for the location would be permitted. For this type of motor I would say yes to UF cable. But don't forget about the last sentence in this section. If you have that situation, then a raceway will be required. ( the last sentence is in the '05 NEC, it is not in the '02 version )
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[ May 04, 2005, 11:51 PM: Message edited by: pierre ]
680.21 Motors.
(A) Wiring Methods.
(1) General. The branch circuits for pool-associated motors shall be installed in rigid metal conduit, intermediate metal conduit, rigid nonmetallic conduit, or Type MC cable listed for the location. Other wiring methods and materials
shall be permitted in specific locations or applications as covered in this section.
(4) One-Family Dwellings. In the interior of one-family dwellings, or in the interior of accessory buildings associated with a one-family dwelling, any of the wiring methods recognized in Chapter 3 of this Code shall be permitted that comply with the provisions of this paragraph. Where run in
a raceway, the equipment grounding conductor shall be insulated. Where run in a cable assembly, the equipment grounding conductor shall be permitted to be uninsulated, but it shall be enclosed within the outer sheath of the cable
assembly.
As per (A)(1), there are 4 permitted methods, UF not being one of them.
Notice how there is a statement " Other wiring methods and materials shall be permitted in specific locations or applications as covered in this section.
Further in this section, (A)(4) permits for dwelling units interior wiring to be any permitted chapter 3 method.
To answer your question of whether UF is permitted for outdoor installation to a permanent pool, I would say no.
As per .21(B), for double insulated motors, any chapter 3 method that is permitted for the location would be permitted. For this type of motor I would say yes to UF cable. But don't forget about the last sentence in this section. If you have that situation, then a raceway will be required. ( the last sentence is in the '05 NEC, it is not in the '02 version )
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[ May 04, 2005, 11:51 PM: Message edited by: pierre ]
Re: pool pump gfci
However, the manufacturer might REQUIRE GFCI protection regardless of what NEC says. Same goes for the UL listing.
If the manufacturer specifies a greater requirement than NEC, such a GFCI or extra hefty wires, you MUST follow the manufacturer's directions.
That said, any pool pump manufacturer is going to require GFCI as matter of avoiding liability.
However, the manufacturer might REQUIRE GFCI protection regardless of what NEC says. Same goes for the UL listing.
If the manufacturer specifies a greater requirement than NEC, such a GFCI or extra hefty wires, you MUST follow the manufacturer's directions.
That said, any pool pump manufacturer is going to require GFCI as matter of avoiding liability.
curt swartz
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Re: pool pump gfci
I have have yet to see one pump manufacture require GFCI protection. It would be imposible to provide GFCI protection for many pumps on commercial pools because of the voltage and size.
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