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Energized77

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Does it say I need a dedicated branch circuit for my pool pump?
Can I GFCI protect my pool pump 20Amp twistlock outlet with the required GFCI outlet located no closer than 10, but no farther than 20 feet from the inside of the pool wall?
 
Your pool pump 20amp twist lock receptacle must be on its own dedicated GFCI protected circuit. The GFCI convenience receptacle between 10 and 20 feet from the inside wall of the pool does not have to be dedicated.
 
tmbrk said:
Your pool pump 20amp twist lock receptacle must be on its own dedicated GFCI protected circuit. The GFCI convenience receptacle between 10 and 20 feet from the inside wall of the pool does not have to be dedicated.
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Can I have a code article with that statement..?
 
I don't know if there is an article that pertains to this directly, but I personally have never seen a pool pump where the manufacturer does not require a dedicated circuit.
 
stickboy1375 said:
One more thing, if your receptacle for Circulation and Sanitation is MORE than 10' twist-lok receptacles are not required.
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I watched the Mastering the NEC 2005 section on article 680 and Mark Shapiro said it is typical to GFCI protect the 20Amp twistlock receptacle for the pump from the load side of the general purpose GFCI receptacle.
I did an installation this way and got reamed by the inspector who told me I need to review my article 680. I find nothing to the contrary. Any help??
 
Dennis Alwon said:
If the motor draws more than 50% of the circuit than you must put it on a dedicated cir. Art. 210.23 (A)(2)
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Dennis, I don't believe pool pumps are fastened in place, at least not in the New England...:D
 
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Energized77 said:
I watched the Mastering the NEC 2005 section on article 680 and Mark Shapiro said it is typical to GFCI protect the 20Amp twistlock receptacle for the pump from the load side of the general purpose GFCI receptacle.
I did an installation this way and got reamed by the inspector who told me I need to review my article 680. I find nothing to the contrary. Any help??
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What part don't you understand? The twist-lok requirement? or the GFI Requirement?
 
I don't understand the required means for GFCI protecting my 20Amp twistlock. Why can't I run a circuit from the panel to my required GFCI outlet no more than 20 but no less than 10 feet from my pool and load side protect my 20 Amp twistlock outlet for the pump? Can I if the pump doesn't draw 50% or more of the circuit ampacity?
 
stickboy1375 said:
Dennis, I don't believe pool pumps are fastened in place, at least not in the New England...:D
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Interesting-- a disposal is fastened in place but a pool pump is not even though the circulation lines are attached to it.
 
Energized77 said:
I don't understand the required means for GFCI protecting my 20Amp twistlock. Why can't I run a circuit from the panel to my required GFCI outlet no more than 20 but no less than 10 feet from my pool and load side protect my 20 Amp twistlock outlet for the pump? Can I if the pump doesn't draw 50% or more of the circuit ampacity?
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I would say yes but I doubt that this is the case unless this is an above ground pool. I would ask the AHJ what article he is quoting.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Interesting-- a disposal is fastened in place but a pool pump is not even though the circulation lines are attached to it.
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Dennis, so if the pump was piped in with unions and required no tools to relocate the pump would you consider that fastened in place?
 
stickboy1375 said:
Dennis, so if the pump was piped in with unions and required no tools to relocate the pump would you consider that fastened in place?
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I would consider it fastened in place but that don't mean a thing. I figure if you can unplug it and move it then it is not fastened into place. -- a disposal doesn't need any tools to disconnect it.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I would consider it fastened in place but that don't mean a thing. I figure if you can unplug it and move it then it is not fastened into place. -- a disposal doesn't need any tools to disconnect it.
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Yeh, I see your point, I was just curios as to why the OP failed...
 
Back to one of the questions asked somewhere along the way. The required receptacle (not the one for the pump) must be fed from a general purpose branch circuit. Would a circuit that fed the pump and the required recept be considered a general purpose branch circuit?

I tend to think not. In my mind by putting that requirement in there they are saying in a way only the NEC can, that you can't use the pump circuit for the required convenience outlet.
 
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