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can anyone tell me if there has been any code wiring changes for above ground pools for 2008 ? i don't have a 2008 code book with me right now.
thanks
 
This may not be complete but:

Part I (general):
680.2: Baptistries are now included
680.10: Complete raceway needed in the restricted 5 ft area
680.12: Added that disconnect must be at least 5 ft from water unless separated by a barrier.

Part III (storable pools):
680.31: Wording change to coordinate pump's GFCI requirements with permanently installed pools. Cord required to have integral GFCI protection.
680.34: Receptacle location minimum changed from 10 ft to 6 ft.

[see online version at: http://nfpaweb3.gvpi.net/rrserver/browser?title=/NFPASTD/7008SB ]
 
mickeyrench said:
can anyone tell me if there has been any code wiring changes for above ground pools for 2008 ? i don't have a 2008 code book with me right now.
thanks
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Wiring changes, no biggies that come to mind, but...BONDING, huge change. I suggest you get a code book and read up before commiting to any pool jobs.
 
mickeyrench said:
can anyone tell me if there has been any code wiring changes for above ground pools for 2008 ? i don't have a 2008 code book with me right now.
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Don't do anything until you get to read the 2008 requirements, as Scott noted many changes in bonding.

Of course that assumes that the area you are in adopted the 2008 before you got a permit.
 
mickeyrench said:
can anyone tell me if there has been any code wiring changes for above ground pools for 2008 ? i don't have a 2008 code book with me right now.
thanks
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i just found out the pool has a circuit passing underground going to the garage . don't know how deep. any comments. thanks
 
mickeyrench said:
i just found out the pool has a circuit passing underground going to the garage . don't know how deep. any comments. thanks
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If you mean the power passes under the pool then read art. 680.10

680.10 Underground Wiring Location.
Underground wiring shall not be permitted under the pool or within the area extending 1.5 m (5 ft) horizontally from the inside wall of the pool unless this wiring is necessary to supply pool equipment permitted by this article. Where space limitations prevent wiring from being routed a distance 1.5 m (5 ft) or more from the pool, such wiring shall be permitted where installed in complete raceway systems of rigid metal conduit, intermediate metal conduit, or a nonmetallic raceway system. All metal conduit shall be corrosion resistant and suitable for the location. The minimum cover depth shall be as given in Table 680.10.
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Table 680.10 Minimum Cover Depths

Minimum Cover
Wiring Method mm in.
Rigid metal conduit 150 6
Intermediate metal conduit 150 6
Nonmetallic raceways listed for direct burial without concrete encasement 450 18
Other approved raceways* 450 18
*Raceways approved for burial only where concrete encased shall require a concrete envelope not less than 50 mm (2 in.) thick.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
If this is a storageable above ground pool than I don't see where the bonding comes into play
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Regardless it is still worth reading the current code before proceeding. Assuming costs money.
 
Lets not forget about local codes as well.
In NYS, the Building code determines the difference between storable and permanent pools.
The definition of a permanent pool in NYS building code is:

"Any structure intended for swimming, recreational bathing or wading that contains water over 24 inches deep. This includes in-ground, above-ground and on-ground pools; hot tubs; spas and fixed-in-place wading pools."
 
electricmanscott said:
Why would we assume that it is???
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Because we know it is above ground from the op so the only other qualifier is less than 42" deep. Most above grounds I have seen are but I didn't assume anything. I just said IF.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Because we know it is above ground from the op so the only other qualifier is less than 42" deep. Most above grounds I have seen are but I didn't assume anything. I just said IF.
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Most I have seen are more than 42" deep. :grin:
 
Artical 680.31 and 680.32

Artical 680.31 and 680.32

NEC 2008 has added a paragraph to section 680.31 that requires storable cord connected pool pumps to be provided with an integral GFCI in the power cord. This is not a requirement of UL 1081 and I through they were the authority in this type of requirement. In the next section 680.32 they require all receptacles located within 20 feet of the inside wall of the pool be protected by a GFCI. Does this mean the storable pool pumps must be protected by at least two GFCI's. This really seems strange to me. I think the new paragraph in 680.31 should be removed from the NEC 2008 and let the people at UL do the job in controling the requirments for storable pool pumps.
 
mickeyrench said:
i just found out the pool has a circuit passing underground going to the garage . don't know how deep. any comments. thanks
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underground wiring shall not be permitted under pool or within the area extendining 5 ft horizontally from the inside of the pool. u should look at 680-10.
 
It would be impossible to wire a pool without reading and understanding the codes that are in effect in your area. The responses on this site are extremely informative but a code book in hand would answer most of your questions.
 
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Hi Guys,
Glad i found a forum with pros.
Iwould be happy if some one can answer a question or 2
Question:1
I`am wiring a pool with metal walls,(in ground) my question is do i ground with bare or insulated #8, given the price of copper , i`am looking to cut my cost and still comply with code?

Question #2: I`am also installing a 100 amp sub panel from the main house panel, I`ll be using pvc to the pool panel , once i exit the house ,can i sleeve urd direct buriel Aluminum with a # 8 copper in the conduit or do i even need the #8 at all?
YOUR HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!
 
sparky62 said:
Hi Guys,
Glad i found a forum with pros.
Iwould be happy if some one can answer a question or 2
Question:1
I`am wiring a pool with metal walls,(in ground) my question is do i ground with bare or insulated #8, given the price of copper , i`am looking to cut my cost and still comply with code?

Question #2: I`am also installing a 100 amp sub panel from the main house panel, I`ll be using pvc to the pool panel , once i exit the house ,can i sleeve urd direct buriel Aluminum with a # 8 copper in the conduit or do i even need the #8 at all?
YOUR HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!
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Sounds like you are in over your head. :grin:
 
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