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lu302dan

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Hi. My name is Dan and I am working on a project in a casino where they want to light up a new ceiling with multiple soffits. I recomended T8 strip lights or LED'S. This is a design build project and the owners of this casino want me to install 108 250 watt metal hallide flood lights to back light this soffit area. Needless to say, we are talkingt A LOT of power here! I want to do a cost comparison of what it will cost to run these HID fixtures verses the alternatives I have mentioned. I am looking for a downloadable software program that you can input variables like volts, amps, and such to compute kilowatthours and show costs and savings. Any suggestions will be appreciated!

Thank you
 
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Suggest you contact the utility in your area.
They can provide the info you need. Where are you located?
 
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Dan,

A spreadsheet program would be ideal for this problem. Or you could use a calculator and a paper spreadsheet. Sounds like a straightforward problem.
 
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Dan

Be sure you understand what your client wants the lighting to do. 250w MH fixtures will blast light all across just about any space, whereas T8's or LED's will have a much more subtle effect.

If one couple is drawn to the casino for a night because of the lights, they will probably loose more money than the floodlights will burn in energy. I've worked on a couple of casinos, and money is seldom an object in decorating the casino itself.

Jim T
 
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1- take your total connected wattage, and divide by 1000...this puts us in kW (Remember that a 250W MH ballast consumes more than 250W...see the spec sheet for the exact amount)

2- Multiply your total kW from above by your utilities kW/Hr rate. THis gives you dollars per hour.

3- Multiply by however many hours you are going to run them to see your total cost for that period of time. This gets uglier though when we factor in time of day rates, and multi-level rates. See your utility


If they really want to go with MH, have they factored in the inevitable color shifts that occur over time, even with ceramic MH? Have they thought about the restrike time in the event of a power interuption. They'll have to add in other types of sources, or a UPS system to maintain 1 FC at the floor for egress purposes. Unless they use electronic ballasts (highly recomended), you'll have the "buzz" as things age.

250W seems like a lot of light, but then again, how big is the ceiling space??? I'd look at T-5 asymetric fixtures (check out eliptipar's website), use T5HO bulbs for the maximum brightness. If you are going for color changning, LED's are great, but you'll need a lot to get good brightness and they aren't cheap. I had them quoted for a 16' long barrel vault once, both sides illuminated, and the whole system was around $4000 in parts. Of course, not having to change lightbulbs for 20+ years is pretty cool. A company called Martin makes color changing fixutres that use T5HO bulbs with color filters. ERCO makes something similiar as well.

mike

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[ December 09, 2005, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: mhulbert ]
 
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My two cents.
Metal Halide is good for very tall ceilings-industrial- but, as mentioned earlier, color shift and restrike consideration and lumen depreciation are big drawbacks.
When doing any comparison, take into consideration the life cycle cost i.e. what the particular fixture will cost to operate and maintain. Here MH and even the newer energy saving T-5 lamps come up short by having higher replacement lamp costs and lower average lamp hours thereby being more expensive in spite of using less energy.


Saving energy and saving cost are not the same thing.

DOE.gov website should have the information you are asking for
 
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