Power Splitter Box - Is it safe?

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McCurdy

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Greetings,

I figured that the Safety section was the best place to put something like this.

I've been having a discussion with a client of mine about the use of portable power splitter boxes, or sometimes called spider boxes. The fellow is in business doing property damage restoration, and he is always in need of more receptacle outlets to run his fans, dehumidifiers, etc. that are drying out houses with water damage.

Up here in New England, every old house usually has the three-wire type of range / dryer outlet instead of the new 4-wire type. He wants to use a box like this ( http://mytee.com/products/product.php?id=5003 ) to plug his equipment into. You can't see it too well, but there are two duplex receptacles with a little 20 amp push-button circuit breaker for each duplex outlet, which is supplied from a 3-wire 30 amp cord cap.

I told him to make sure that number one, regardless of using this box or not, that everything he plugs in should be GFCI-protected because it's a wet environment. I also told him that using a 3-wire type of power splitter box is a bad idea, mainly because the ground and neutral must be shared, and that might present problems.

His thought is "It's a product that's sold on the market, so it must be safe to use." My thought is, it's the wrong application for this thing. I'm surprised they can even sell it.

My questions to the forum are these:

1) Will a GFCI device trip if plugged into a splitter box like the one shown in the link above? (Because of the shared neutral.)

2) Does using a splitter box like this present any danger or hazards?

3) I saw the device that he purchased, and there is no UL label (or any listing of any type) on the unit. Does this matter?

Thank you,

Doug
 

Buck Parrish

Senior Member
Location
NC & IN
1) No
2) The long extension cords could be a problem if permanent.
But temporary it might be okay. It sounds to me like what he is doing it would work good.
3) Yes this could mean it's not safe. It should be UL listed
 

iwire

Moderator
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Location
Massachusetts
Using that would be an NEC violation

You cannot supply 15 or 20 amp receptacles from a 30 amp circuit (unless the unit has it's own fuses)

You cannot supply anything but a range or dryer from a circuit without a dedicated grounding conductor.
 

McCurdy

Member
Using that would be an NEC violation

You cannot supply 15 or 20 amp receptacles from a 30 amp circuit (unless the unit has it's own fuses)

You cannot supply anything but a range or dryer from a circuit without a dedicated grounding conductor.

The unit does have it's own 20 amp button-style circuit breakers (one per duplex receptacle).

Do you know the code article where it says you can't supply anything but a range or dryer without a dedicated ground? I wonder if there is a loophole for it being temporary wiring...
 

renosteinke

Senior Member
Location
NE Arkansas
I think the NEC is the wrong authority to cite; this product would be seen as an appliance, and not part of the installation.

After all, there's no requirement that extension cords be listed- or many other products.

I am confident that GFCI's would work just fine. Manufacturing this gizmo with GFCI receptacles would be a nice 'next step' for the manufacturer to take.

Surprised they sell it? Not at all - indeed, it looks to be a lot better than some 'listed' schlock that's out there. Can it / Should it be used? It's certainly an attempt to address a bad situation - a situation that exists only because the 3-wire dryer persisted for so long.

As constructed, I simply cannot see there being any 'parallel paths' issues arising from using the ground wire as your neutral. It's certainly an improvement over the usual 'jumper cables on the bussbars' arrangements I've seen.
 

iwire

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I think the NEC is the wrong authority to cite; this product would be seen as an appliance, and not part of the installation.

After all, there's no requirement that extension cords be listed- or many other products.

I am confident that GFCI's would work just fine. Manufacturing this gizmo with GFCI receptacles would be a nice 'next step' for the manufacturer to take.

Surprised they sell it? Not at all - indeed, it looks to be a lot better than some 'listed' schlock that's out there. Can it / Should it be used? It's certainly an attempt to address a bad situation - a situation that exists only because the 3-wire dryer persisted for so long.

As constructed, I simply cannot see there being any 'parallel paths' issues arising from using the ground wire as your neutral. It's certainly an improvement over the usual 'jumper cables on the bussbars' arrangements I've seen.

So you see no hazard in using a neutral as the grounding means for portable equipment?
 

LarryFine

Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
Location
Henrico County, VA
Occupation
Electrical Contractor
So you see no hazard in using a neutral as the grounding means for portable equipment?
I can see it as worse: an open in the supply neutral could easily energize the housing of everything plugged into it.
 

renosteinke

Senior Member
Location
NE Arkansas
Iwire, in this instance, I see no hazard. With no possibility of a parallel path, what's the issue? The 'portable equipment' isn't any more of a hazard than the dryer is.
 

iwire

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Staff member
Location
Massachusetts
Iwire, in this instance, I see no hazard. With no possibility of a parallel path, what's the issue? The 'portable equipment' isn't any more of a hazard than the dryer is.

1) Read Larry's post and think about it.

2) Handheld portable equipment is much more subject to damage than a stationary dryer. (In this particular case we are talking about floor cleaning equipment. Portable, wet, operated by electrical untrained people.)
 
better than?

better than?

still seems better than guys who show up with alligator clips on a 100 foot extension attached to some main lugs.......
 

iwire

Moderator
Staff member
Location
Massachusetts
still seems better than guys who show up with alligator clips on a 100 foot extension attached to some main lugs.......

I don't think anyone said it was not.

But the fact remains that with just one broken conductor (the neutral) the unit would energize the enclosures of anything plugged into it.
 

LarryFine

Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
Location
Henrico County, VA
Occupation
Electrical Contractor
still seems better than guys who show up with alligator clips on a 100 foot extension attached to some main lugs.......
I made a temp like that, but with a 6' cord. I used four wires and clamps, with red boots for the lines, black for the neutral and EGC.

It fed a 2-space surface-mount breaker box, with a pair of GFCI breakers feeding two duplex receptacles in a 4" sq, aka a 'quad.'
 

GeorgeB

ElectroHydraulics engineer (retired)
Location
Greenville SC
Occupation
Retired
So you see no hazard in using a neutral as the grounding means for portable equipment?
Or is this the grounding means as the neutral ... worse to me with the reduced capacity equipment grounding conductor in older installations.
 

Jraef

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Staff member
Location
San Francisco Bay Area, CA, USA
Occupation
Electrical Engineer
... Portable, wet, operated by electrical untrained people.
Bingo, it's an accident waiting to happen!

Imagine the worst case scenario: one of the "electrically untrained" workers gets killed. Aside from the human tragedy, the fact that he used non-UL listed device like this could give his insurance carrier the ammo they need to get out of paying a claim. Then where would he be, what did he save?
 
I think this device falls into two favorite catagores: somebody is building them because somebody is buying them and just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. If I found one of those on a site, I'd flip the feed breaker, then find out why it's there at all.
 
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