pre-fab steel framed house

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a builder called me today and said they're about to do some steel framed houses. i know one EC who just did a couple of these; he's already given me a cost estimate of how much more it took to do the job, but we didn't get to go in-depth about methods. i'm just curious if any of you have any experience w/ these, and what might be some obstacles or special procedures i need to keep in mind. thanks, b.
 
The steal fames I've seen used a few large girders in the corners of the structure, recessed back enough to get around with cable. If you must drill, the bits burn out fast. Drill steal on slow speed and use lots of oil, or rent a plasma torch for blasting small holes.
 
yeh steel studs. i got to meet up w/ an EC today who's currently doing some and look over what they're doing. one thing i saw is that they're notching the steel studs to accomodate 2x4's for nailing up 3 & 4 gang boxes. my work will be in another jurisdiction, so i'm not sure they're going to allow this. i've got to get my building code out and have a look.
 
Did a steel house a few years ago. Bid was for small wood frame. Suprise! Suprise! They decided that they would put the sheet rock on the entire ceiling first, then but the wall studs in place. What a major PIA. Don't let them do that to you. 2.6 times the original bid.
 
2.6 times the original bid.

wow, really? i was thinking 1.5. i calculated it and that should cover the extra labor and materials needed; included a few extra drill bits and hole saws. :D maybe i should recalculate?
 
You really should get a stud punch or two if you're wiring steel framing. Super fast, and no drill bits to wear out. Also, look into using Caddy H-23's.
 
Yes on H-23 from the Electrical Railroad Improvement COmpany. Also bracket boxes will work.
Don't forget to use grommets in the stud holes if you are using Romex.
The stud punch only works on the thinner steel studs.
I have nno idea what they were thinking when they sheetrocked the ceiling before adding the walls. Maybe inexperience.
As for the wood blocking -- this may be for mounting cabinets. But for electrical boxes, use steel channel. Invest in a pair of green and red off-set snips. Take a scrap of 18" track [channel], about 2" in snip the flanges, then 14 1/2" further on, snip again. Bend the ends 90? and slip in the stud bay. Use some Tek screws and viola!:a shelf to mount your boxes on.
[Further note on the wood blocking: Notching the steel studs won't work because there would be no steel surface to attach to. The practice seems to be to cut 15 7/8" pieces of 2 X 8 and then dado a 1/4" groove about 1 1/2" in to clear the lip on the open ended stud and screw it into position.]
You would probably want to be using metal boxes. Also plan on small one-hole straps [some are flattened for Romex] to secure the cable.
Make sure the studders keep all the holes in the studs lined up. [This is more imortant for conduit work.]
Hole cutters from Hougen work good.
 
peter said:
I have nno idea what they were thinking when they sheetrocked the ceiling before adding the walls. Maybe inexperience.
Maybe being able to relocate walls later?
 
Brant - I'd be interested in what gauge steel you're talking. As mentioned earlier, a punch is nice but only on the lighter gauge studs. If they're using steel studs for all framing, my guess is you're talking the heavier gauge - as now you're talking structural supporting members.

On commercial jobs, the steel studs I've run in to are the lighter gauge variety and the punch is great. Just used bars by Caddy, and we had a punch for that. Then the boxes would be mounted to the bar.

Hey - now they make these - look much easier to use than those flat bars I was talking about:
http://www.erico.com/products/CADDYcfcScrwGnBxBrckt.asp

Keep us posted on how you go with this. 2.6 times sounds high, but if it's the heavier gauge, then maybe so - as the punch can't be used.
 
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thanks for all those tips!! :D
You really should get a stud punch or two

do you know of one that will clear side-by-side studs? that would have been my only purpose for the drill bits.

i picked up an erico catalog at the supply house yesterday so i can start finding materials i need.

i use metal boxes anyhow, but if a situation arises where it has to be mounted to a non-metallic surface, would any of you recommend running a ground jumper from that box to the particular stud my romex is attached to? is that being over cautious?
 
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