Price of Romex going up again ???

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-marty

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I was in the big orange box store getting some materials for a greenhouse. I noticed the price of romex had gone up.

was is
12-2 250 68.97 77.05
12-2 1000 275.86 308.20
12-3 250 117.60 125.24
12-3 1000 470.40 500.98

Sure am glad I don't have to pay for it. My customers do.
 
-marty said:
I was in the big orange box store getting some materials for a greenhouse. I noticed the price of romex had gone up.

was is
12-2 250 68.97 77.05
12-2 1000 275.86 308.20
12-3 250 117.60 125.24
12-3 1000 470.40 500.98

Sure am glad I don't have to pay for it. My customers do.

You have to pay for it first, and then hope your future customers are willing to, or vice versa, hope they are willing to pay for it so that they will hire you to put it in.
 
i dont use romex but i know our big wire is going up. when i asked some of my sales reps at the supply houses they informed me it was going to continue upward until late summer most likely. so be prepared
 
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Received a quote today on 500 MCM from Graybar ($8.41/ft) and was told that I needed to purchase it within 24 hrs. in order for them to hold the price.
Funny how the price of gasoline and copper seem to be so intertwined.
 
dezwitinc said:
Received a quote today on 500 MCM from Graybar ($8.41/ft) and was told that I needed to purchase it within 24 hrs. in order for them to hold the price.
Funny how the price of gasoline and copper seem to be so intertwined.

i remember last summer, our supply houses had 500 for around $11.50 /ft. i'm sure its coming back too. they raise it to an outrageous price to condition you to a ridiculous price. same way w/ the gasoline. it was $3.30 a gal here last summer, and i was begging for $2.75 to come back!
 
brantmacga said:
i remember last summer, our supply houses had 500 for around $11.50 /ft. i'm sure its coming back too. they raise it to an outrageous price to condition you to a ridiculous price. same way w/ the gasoline. it was $3.30 a gal here last summer, and i was begging for $2.75 to come back!

The price of raw copper has been going up. A few weeks back I mentioned something about copper futures options. I thought copper was going down long term, but apparently I'm mistaken. Which is one of the reasons to use futures options to cover ones risk ;)
 
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Is it true?
I heard china is building a super highway in their country and looking to the US to supply their resources in this project. They are willing to pay the retail price, so I am told, and that leaves us priced out of our normal margins. If we don't buy it at current market price , I heard they will. Is this true?
 
In the absence of other factors, in any trade, the buyer wants to pay as little as possible, and the seller wants to charger as much as possible. In this global world we inhabit, that does indeed mean that if the Chinese are willing to pay more than you are, then "your" suppliers will take dollars from the man in China over the dollars in your pocket.

Thats called a free market economy.

Globally, historically, it usually works in the USAs favour, as the USA is a "rich" country, and could outspend everyone else to get what it wanted. However, China has a really, really, really big pile of USD (the thick end of a trillion bucks) it has no particular use for, so China can afford to outspend the USA on raw materials.

China has gone from being no-where on the international resource consumption ladder to being on the top rung for many things, and the second rung (generally one rung below the USA) for just about everything else.

You get to take a margin squeeze, or put your prices up, or become financially astute and get into futures, as Julie has suggested several times. Futures wont solve the problem long term, but it may just enable you to spank your competitors to the point of bankruptcy in the medium term.
 
dbuckley said:
. . . become financially astute and get into futures, as Julie has suggested several times.
How much money does it take, and do you have any suggestions on where the money should come from? :-?

We're a small company that depends on our invoices getting paid in order to pay our bills.
 
LarryFine said:
How much money does it take, and do you have any suggestions on where the money should come from? :-?

We're a small company that depends on our invoices getting paid in order to pay our bills.

Ask any of the small farmers, they have been using futures to offset their losses for years. Years ago there was a copper shortage, the contracting company I worked for, actually made money as the price increased, and made money, when the price came down.
 
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You don't need all the money up front, it's an agreement to buy at a fixed price at some future date. Of course, there is a certain element of "betting the farm" in this, as if the underlying commodity reduces in price, you are committed to buying at the agreed price. There are other tools, such as options, which don't commit you but offer the possibility.

Other possibilities forward contracts. You need specialist advice. I just used to do IT in investment banking, and so know just a little about this stuff just from being there...
 
LarryFine said:
How much money does it take, and do you have any suggestions on where the money should come from? :-?

We're a small company that depends on our invoices getting paid in order to pay our bills.

(This isn't financial advice. There, I said it.)

Futures options aren't all that spendy. The trick is to buy them out of the money and eat the difference between where your option strikes and where the price inevitably winds up, just below the strike price (Bitter? I'm not bitter. Nope, not in the least ...).

I'd be more than happy to chat about this on my board (look in my profile for the link), but I have feeling this is so far off-topic that Bob wouldn't let us sit around and discussion options trading for all that long ...
 
tallgirl said:
I'd be more than happy to chat about this on my board (look in my profile for the link), but I have feeling this is so far off-topic that Bob wouldn't let us sit around and discussion options trading for all that long ...
I haven't been there in a few days, but I shall, and thanx.

(After dinner)
 
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