Pull permit
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This may be a good question to ask your insurance agent. Your liability insurance may not like the idea of covering work done by 'others'. :!:
Having said that, letting others do work that you would normally be making money from would dictate that you charge the permit fees plus the anticipated profit amount had you done the work yourself.(minimum)
Having said that, letting others do work that you would normally be making money from would dictate that you charge the permit fees plus the anticipated profit amount had you done the work yourself.(minimum)
Minuteman
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- The Sooner Nation
Here they call that "loaning a license" and it could cost you your license or a big fine.
larryl
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- wrentham ma.
i would "NEVER" pull a permit for anyone,,NEVER,!!,,
goldstar
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- New Jersey
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- Electrical Contractor
I don't know what they allow you to do in Maryland but here in NJ you are not permitted to do electrical work in a commercial building unless you are a licensed electrical contractor period. It doesn't matter whether you own the building or not - you can't do the work if you're not licensed.
If it were a case of doing residential work on your own house, you are permitted to do whatever you wish as long as you pull a permit. However, you are not permitted to work on your neighbors' houses. The fines start at $ 1000.00 (first offense). We're not being "chop breakers" up here. Just think about the reasons why we have these laws.
If it were a case of doing residential work on your own house, you are permitted to do whatever you wish as long as you pull a permit. However, you are not permitted to work on your neighbors' houses. The fines start at $ 1000.00 (first offense). We're not being "chop breakers" up here. Just think about the reasons why we have these laws.
jeff43222
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- Minneapolis, Minnesota
Re: Pull permit
Perhaps you should run this plan past your AHJ and see what kind of response you get. They don't issue licenses to us so we can pull permits for non-electricians. Minnesota law is like NJ's: You have to be an EC to pull a permit, with a few limited exceptions (e.g., homeowners working on their own houses).
Whoever pulls the permit is responsible for all work done under it. So if I were to pull a permit for a bunch of non-electricians, if anything was done incorrectly, I would be on the hook with the inspector. Only my employees can do work under my permit, and they would need to covered with worker's comp, unemployment, liability, etc., and every two unlicensed installers has to be supervised by a licensed electrician. I suspect that I would lose my EC license if I did what you are describing.
If someone wants to have you pull a permit, tell them you only pull permits when you are hired to do all the work. Otherwise, walk away.
EEC said:
Perhaps you should run this plan past your AHJ and see what kind of response you get. They don't issue licenses to us so we can pull permits for non-electricians. Minnesota law is like NJ's: You have to be an EC to pull a permit, with a few limited exceptions (e.g., homeowners working on their own houses).
Whoever pulls the permit is responsible for all work done under it. So if I were to pull a permit for a bunch of non-electricians, if anything was done incorrectly, I would be on the hook with the inspector. Only my employees can do work under my permit, and they would need to covered with worker's comp, unemployment, liability, etc., and every two unlicensed installers has to be supervised by a licensed electrician. I suspect that I would lose my EC license if I did what you are describing.
If someone wants to have you pull a permit, tell them you only pull permits when you are hired to do all the work. Otherwise, walk away.
Re: Pull permit
If you don't want your licesnse anymore, I'd do it for $xx,xxx
Seriously, what are you thinking??
You can hire the non-electricians as sub-contractors, but I will guarantee you will need to be on site 100% of the time while they are working.
Trust no one when it comes to your lively hood!
EEC said:
If you don't want your licesnse anymore, I'd do it for $xx,xxx
Seriously, what are you thinking??
You can hire the non-electricians as sub-contractors, but I will guarantee you will need to be on site 100% of the time while they are working.
Trust no one when it comes to your lively hood!
electricman2
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- North Carolina
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
Years ago I was asked to do this (before I knew better). Fortunately I turned them down. Since then I found that my states licensing board takes a very dim view of this practice. Read that No more license
Re: Pull permit
I echo the other comments. In this jurisdiction I (an engineer, not an electrician) can pull a permit to work on my own home myself. It is illegal for me to pay anyone to work on my permit unless they are a licensed and insured contractor. You, a licensed electrician, can pull a permit and do the work yourself or with your employees, or subcontract to another licensed contractor. Pull a permit for me to do the work and we are both breaking the law, although I'm quite certain that you are the one who would suffer the most since I don't have a license to lose.
Really bad idea.
EEC said:
I echo the other comments. In this jurisdiction I (an engineer, not an electrician) can pull a permit to work on my own home myself. It is illegal for me to pay anyone to work on my permit unless they are a licensed and insured contractor. You, a licensed electrician, can pull a permit and do the work yourself or with your employees, or subcontract to another licensed contractor. Pull a permit for me to do the work and we are both breaking the law, although I'm quite certain that you are the one who would suffer the most since I don't have a license to lose.
Really bad idea.
luckyshadow
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- Location
- Maryland
I am in Maryland and it is frowned upon to pull permits for others that do not work for you or a company that you represent. Pulling permits for people who can't otherwise get them is a great way to lose your license.
Besides what does your insurance provider think of this ?
Why don't you just pull permit and do work yourself ?
Send the work my way
Besides what does your insurance provider think of this ?
Why don't you just pull permit and do work yourself ?
Send the work my way
hardworkingstiff
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- Wilmington, NC
I would pull a permit for someone. My fee would be $10,000,000.00
That way, when I lose my license, I won't care!
That way, when I lose my license, I won't care!
ramsy
NoFixNoPay Electric
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- LA basin, CA
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- Service Electrician 2020 NEC
My first experience roping hotels with a small EC in Los Angeles involved this exact scam.
Hotel developers hire small contractors, keep their crew busy on one hotel, then ask them to pull permits for another. We though we had more work, but found a non-english speaking crew completing the 2nd hotel on our Permits.
Our EC refused to sign off on the permit, demmand to rework code failures, but our General Contractor threated to stop using us, since he depends on these developers for continued business.
Maybe its just west of the Rockies, were there's too many residential contractors to choose from with cheep labor, and enforcing every liscense violation is impossible. Many small developers in my region are not natives, and initially don't do business by our rules, and if you don't have a plan "B" you can't always force them to do so.
Hotel developers hire small contractors, keep their crew busy on one hotel, then ask them to pull permits for another. We though we had more work, but found a non-english speaking crew completing the 2nd hotel on our Permits.
Our EC refused to sign off on the permit, demmand to rework code failures, but our General Contractor threated to stop using us, since he depends on these developers for continued business.
Maybe its just west of the Rockies, were there's too many residential contractors to choose from with cheep labor, and enforcing every liscense violation is impossible. Many small developers in my region are not natives, and initially don't do business by our rules, and if you don't have a plan "B" you can't always force them to do so.
bradleyelectric
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- forest hill, md
ramsy said:
It's easy to enforce liscense violations. You violate, you don't have a liscense any more. If there are to many, that would help solve that problem. You can force them to do so, if they pull that nonsence, you take them to court. Don't let anyone strong arm you. If you do you do not deserve a license. Plan "B" take them to court for the full contract amount and don't work for that aaaaa hole again.
ramsy
NoFixNoPay Electric
- Location
- LA basin, CA
- Occupation
- Service Electrician 2020 NEC
Thats good advice for another reason. The licensing short cuts followed complete disregard for safety measures.
Our Elec.Contractor had to place this football-sized turd from the overflowing outhouse onto that Gen Contractors desk before they agreed to pay for a 2nd crapper.
The week I bailed, the Gen.Contractor's bi-lingual forman got crushed in a trench cave in. No doubt the owner probably didn't know or care about shoring. Who knows if cheep labor was used as landfill in his country? Shoring? what shoring? I got myself out of harms way just in time.
Our Elec.Contractor had to place this football-sized turd from the overflowing outhouse onto that Gen Contractors desk before they agreed to pay for a 2nd crapper.
The week I bailed, the Gen.Contractor's bi-lingual forman got crushed in a trench cave in. No doubt the owner probably didn't know or care about shoring. Who knows if cheep labor was used as landfill in his country? Shoring? what shoring? I got myself out of harms way just in time.
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