Qualified vs Certified
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bphgravity
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Qualified Person: One who has the skills and knowledge related to the construction and operation of electrical equipment and installations and has received safety training on the hazards involved.
Certified Person: One who caries a certificate, vouchure, or license that is a statement of qualification.
Basically, all ceritifed electricans are considered qualified, but one does not necessarily need to be certified to be deemed qualified.
Qualified Person: One who has the skills and knowledge related to the construction and operation of electrical equipment and installations and has received safety training on the hazards involved.
Certified Person: One who caries a certificate, vouchure, or license that is a statement of qualification.
Basically, all ceritifed electricans are considered qualified, but one does not necessarily need to be certified to be deemed qualified.
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Bryan, I am not sure I agree with you. If I am certified as a Master Electrician and install new facilities for 30 years, am I considered a qualified person to work on an MCC hot? I don't think so. I would need training as to the hazards involved and need to know what PPE is needed for the situation.
In my opinion, the bottom line is that certified and qualified do not equate. I would be very interested in other opinions.
Bryan, I am not sure I agree with you. If I am certified as a Master Electrician and install new facilities for 30 years, am I considered a qualified person to work on an MCC hot? I don't think so. I would need training as to the hazards involved and need to know what PPE is needed for the situation.
In my opinion, the bottom line is that certified and qualified do not equate. I would be very interested in other opinions.
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If an electrician is certified, he is deemed qualified at something. I didn't say everything. As with my definition, the certification is a statment of qualification. One should only work within the scope of their qualification and certification if required. The two ideas don't exactly equate, but do work off of each other.
If an electrician is certified, he is deemed qualified at something. I didn't say everything. As with my definition, the certification is a statment of qualification. One should only work within the scope of their qualification and certification if required. The two ideas don't exactly equate, but do work off of each other.
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Thanks Bryan, I agree with that.
Thanks Bryan, I agree with that.
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I rather agree with Charlies' orginal post.
Neither one is worth a 'darn' if the individual doesn't bother to open cabinets, or other enclosures, to see what was done inside.
Can not prove this statement, but I believe many "Certified" individuals would not know the proper grounding required for rmote panelboards on the load-side of the Service equipment.
Some seem to know the diagram(s), but when actually in the field and looking at the installed installation they get lost in enclosures with all 'those' conductors and termination points in the panelboard.
Can pass a written test, but oh, the actual field installation!
I rather agree with Charlies' orginal post.
Neither one is worth a 'darn' if the individual doesn't bother to open cabinets, or other enclosures, to see what was done inside.
Can not prove this statement, but I believe many "Certified" individuals would not know the proper grounding required for rmote panelboards on the load-side of the Service equipment.
Some seem to know the diagram(s), but when actually in the field and looking at the installed installation they get lost in enclosures with all 'those' conductors and termination points in the panelboard.
Can pass a written test, but oh, the actual field installation!
bphgravity
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I feel this works both ways. I have known very good electricians that are extremely qualified, but can't even spell their own name correctly. I too believe that many electrical exams are designed to be failed not because of the electricians lack of qualification, but his lack of test taking skills. It is definitely a fact that there are many more qualified electricians than there are certified electricians. And it may as well be a fact that there are many certified electricians that are not all that qualified. In all cases, the work will speak for itself, and qualification is known immediately regardless of certification. But can you think of a better way to deem ones abilites? We can't throw out the idea of certification all together can we?
I feel this works both ways. I have known very good electricians that are extremely qualified, but can't even spell their own name correctly. I too believe that many electrical exams are designed to be failed not because of the electricians lack of qualification, but his lack of test taking skills. It is definitely a fact that there are many more qualified electricians than there are certified electricians. And it may as well be a fact that there are many certified electricians that are not all that qualified. In all cases, the work will speak for itself, and qualification is known immediately regardless of certification. But can you think of a better way to deem ones abilites? We can't throw out the idea of certification all together can we?
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In my volunteer line of work I recertify as a medic every three years. This means I take both a written and a practical test. Certainly some of the questions are controversial, or just plain bad questions, but quite often individuals will score low on the exams, or even fail them, simply because they are bad test takers.
What I have observed over the years applies to every profession that requires an exam of any sort. Just because someone does well on a certifying exam, it does not mean they are good at the actual job in question. Likewise, just because someone scores low on an exam, it does not mean their skills are just marginal.
Hopefully, in all lines of work, exams are just one part of the certification process.
In my volunteer line of work I recertify as a medic every three years. This means I take both a written and a practical test. Certainly some of the questions are controversial, or just plain bad questions, but quite often individuals will score low on the exams, or even fail them, simply because they are bad test takers.
What I have observed over the years applies to every profession that requires an exam of any sort. Just because someone does well on a certifying exam, it does not mean they are good at the actual job in question. Likewise, just because someone scores low on an exam, it does not mean their skills are just marginal.
Hopefully, in all lines of work, exams are just one part of the certification process.
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Lots of good thoughts on this topic..
A "Qualified person" may be qualified to install branch circuit wiring in a single family dwelling but not in a commercial occupancy.
Certified means that someone took a course for example and received a certificate. Some certificates are extremely meaningful and others are not worth the paper on which they are printed.
OSHA for example does not permit an instructor to advertise or promote themselves as OSHA certified 500/501 Instrctor. OSHA prefers the term "Authorized." It is interesting to note that they issue you a certificate!
Lots of good thoughts on this topic..
A "Qualified person" may be qualified to install branch circuit wiring in a single family dwelling but not in a commercial occupancy.
Certified means that someone took a course for example and received a certificate. Some certificates are extremely meaningful and others are not worth the paper on which they are printed.
OSHA for example does not permit an instructor to advertise or promote themselves as OSHA certified 500/501 Instrctor. OSHA prefers the term "Authorized." It is interesting to note that they issue you a certificate!
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Qualifed would be appropiate for the job. In any event, as Mike Holt said regarding this issue, it will be for the lawyers to deceide.
Qualifed would be appropiate for the job. In any event, as Mike Holt said regarding this issue, it will be for the lawyers to deceide.
bphgravity
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The term "qualified" is too relative to ones perspective and interests. At least certification is made by an accepted authority that makes determination of qualification.
The term "qualified" is too relative to ones perspective and interests. At least certification is made by an accepted authority that makes determination of qualification.
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