Question about Tenant access

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So I have job in a high rise 75 apts 10 on each floor

The owners want to put in Electric stoves and pay for them

So what I proposed and I think should be ok is putting a panel in on each floor in the stair case ( all working spaces met) then from the panel run a ckt to each apartment and install a disconnect and receptacle in each apartment.

My question is in regards to the panel in the stair case. I was concerned that not having a means of disconnect in the apartment would be a violation.
Two questions

1 is the panel on in the stair case in regards to Tennant access

2. Do I need a disconnect in each apartment or does the cord and plug satisfy the requirements


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You might have an issue with 240.24(B). You can't use subparagraph (2) because there are cooking provisions. I think that if you put a fused disconnect or enclosed circuit breaker in each apartment, that would give the tenant ready access to the overcurrent device protecting the stove's branch circuit conductors. I don't know how small and unobtrusive you can make this, but I think it would make it compliant.

My concern with putting a panel in the stairwell is that it opens the door to malicious mischief (i.e., one tenant turning off the power to another tenant's stove).
 
charlie b said:
You might have an issue with 240.24(B). You can't use subparagraph (2) because there are cooking provisions. I think that if you put a fused disconnect or enclosed circuit breaker in each apartment, that would give the tenant ready access to the overcurrent device protecting the stove's branch circuit conductors. I don't know how small and unobtrusive you can make this, but I think it would make it compliant.

My concern with putting a panel in the stairwell is that it opens the door to malicious mischief (i.e., one tenant turning off the power to another tenant's stove).
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Ya I thought about that but if I put a lock on it and a disconnectl in each apartment I should be good code wise that is

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nickelec said:
So I have job in a high rise 75 apts 10 on each floor

The owners want to put in Electric stoves and pay for them

So what I proposed and I think should be ok is putting a panel in on each floor in the stair case ( all working spaces met) then from the panel run a ckt to each apartment and install a disconnect and receptacle in each apartment.

My question is in regards to the panel in the stair case. I was concerned that not having a means of disconnect in the apartment would be a violation.
Two questions

1 is the panel on in the stair case in regards to Tennant access

2. Do I need a disconnect in each apartment or does the cord and plug satisfy the requirements


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If there is an OCPD or disconnecting means in the stairwell panel, I think that would be a violation. If the OCPD in the panel trips, how does the tenant access the device in the locked panel?
 
I don't think 240.24(B)(2) can help you here. The general rule is that each tenant has to have ready access to any overcurrent device supplying their space. The rule that allows access only to authorized personnel applies to tenant spaces that don't have permanent provisions for cooking.

Or maybe I have that wrong. Someone help with interpreting the following:
. . . the branch circuit overcurrent devices supplying any guest rooms or guest suites without permanent provisions for cooking . . . .
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I interpret this as meaning both "guest rooms without permanent provisions for cooking" and "guest suites without permanent provisions for cooking."
 
Just because it's in a stairwell does not mean they don't have access to it I mean I guess it's up the ahj to determine that point I

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I would be as concerned about putting it in the staircase. In current construction, a high rise stairwell is going to be a fir rated assembly. You can't even run an electrical conduit through the stairwell, only systems applicable to the stairwell can be in it. I don't even remember which kind of code that is in. I am going to guess it is NFPA101.
 
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I would be as concerned about putting it in the staircase. In current construction, a high rise stairwell is going to be a fir rated assembly. You can't even run an electrical conduit through the stairwell, only systems applicable to the stairwell can be in it. I don't even remember which kind of code that is in. I am going to guess it is NFPA101.
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This is not new construction

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charlie b said:
The tenants are unlikely to know why their stove is not working, nor are they likely to remember any instruction to go to the stairwell to reset breaker.
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OTOH a 75 unit building is likely to have a superintendent/resident manager, who should be able to unlock a panel and reset a breaker.

The OP doesn't mention whether the apartments are individually metered or not, but I assume they are if the stoves are being separately fed.
 
The apartments are individually metered, but the stoves will be paid for by the building

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nickelec said:
This is not new construction

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I didn't assume it was, and my point was not well written. In very old construction stairwells were just open. Fire codes have changed and require stairwells to be fire rated. So, if you stairwell is fire rated, you probably can't put a panel in it.
 
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