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a service panel is being up grated an must be moved the range cable is now about 12 ft short. at the time the netural wire of the cable could be used to bond the frame of the range.is it permitted to splice the range cable since it is prottected by the braker or is at aviolation to slice the netural in this situation? please site code article
 
The deal is....are you going to be running a new 12' piece to the new range location.....then this would in many's eyes constitute a new branch circuit installation .

The actual article is 250.140 which explains existing installations, the grounded conductor can continue to be used to ground (bond) the frame of the range ( 250.142(B) Ex.1

Check out 250.140 and 250.142(B) Ex. 1

Now the junction box thing is fine if it was in the existing setup...it was fine and allowed to even ground the box in the same method...nothing says you can't have a junction on the Neutral wire......

but adding onto the cable to extend it would be extending the circuit and in my opinion making it a new branch circuit....thus in my opinion would be easier to just run a new 4-wire cable.

But I am sure others will disagree.....:)
 
The only way you are going to get a reliable answer to this is to talk to the inspector ahead of time.

I would ask the inspector if I could run 4 wire from the panel to a j-box use the EGC to ground the new j-box and splice the rest through to the existing circuit.

Any of the new work would be 2005 NEC compliant.
 
I agree as one call will clear that up for you.....I know in our area they consider anything added NEW to actually upgrade or extend a given circuit must be inspected....and current with the latest code.

AS bob said.......give your local AHJ a call..I am sure they will let you know what they expect in your area.
 
I'm going to do the exact same thing wednesday, only I'm going to add about 18" of cable.
The way that I read and understand [250.140 Exception], I'm positive (in my own mind) that it's code compliant. Other's opinion will vary.
The circuit is existing, I'm only going to extend it.
I've done it before and the inspector didn't have a problem with it at that time. Who knows what the next one will say?
The original location had a electric range. At a later time, the unit was replaced with a gas range and the installer used the existing 6/2 SE w/ground to supply the 120V receptacle needed for the gas range. In doing so, he cut off about 18" of the SE, installed a JB in the crawlspace (directly under the range) and spliced on #12 NM to feed the receptacle . All I'm going to do is put it back like it was originally (not counting the JB and splices).
Whom ever installed the gas range spliced (in the JB) both the grounding and grounded conductor of the NM to the bare ground of the SE cable. From there they used one insulated leg of the SE and the bare ground to make the circuit in the breaker panel. The other insulated conductor of the SE is capped off in the breaker panel.
At least they used a 20A single pole breaker.
They also didn't bond the JB.
That's what I'm going to do. What you do is up to you (and AHJ).
steve
 
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In my opinion, this must be upgraded to 4-wire.
An extension of a circuit is a new circuit.

If the opposite were true then you could rewire an entire house by adding a jb
for each circuit 5' from the panelboard, extend all circuits to the rest of the house...no permits required!!!
 
Does it matter which end of the circuit the extension is connected to? It seems to me that using new wire with a separate EGC from the panel to the old SE cable would be compliant to 2005 code, and the old SE cable to the range would be grandfathered. Adding it to the end would not be, as that extension can't get grounded without using the neutral.
 
I would prefer to replace the wire myself. Less chance of a call back if the splice goes bad. One less thing to look for in that case also.

In Hillbilly's case I would just pull new by the time you do thoses splices the cable could be run and installed.

Just my two cents worth:)
 
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