receps inside cabinets?
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peter d
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Re: receps inside cabinets?
Nowhere that I know of. Someone may think of something, but I can't.
It is very common to install receptacles in cabinets in residential and commercial installations, so if the NEC is silent on the issue, then it is allowed.
Nowhere that I know of. Someone may think of something, but I can't.
It is very common to install receptacles in cabinets in residential and commercial installations, so if the NEC is silent on the issue, then it is allowed.
peter d
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Straps,
Good point. It depends on what type of "cabinets" we are talking about. Article 312 has many rules for electrical "cabinets."
Since the Intermatic timer is a manufactured component it is listed by UL and not covered by the NEC.
I'm assumed Justin was talking about kitchen-type cabinets as he wasn't specific.
Straps,
Good point. It depends on what type of "cabinets" we are talking about. Article 312 has many rules for electrical "cabinets."
Since the Intermatic timer is a manufactured component it is listed by UL and not covered by the NEC.
I'm assumed Justin was talking about kitchen-type cabinets as he wasn't specific.
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Be mindful 314.20. I occasionally find situations where the receptacle box was mounted flush or slightyly set back into the drywall behind the cabinet, with a hole cut into the back of the cabinet and the device mounted with the ears against the inside surface of the combustible back of the cabinet, leaving a gap of 1/4", 1/2", 1", maybe more between the front edge of the box and the inside surface of the combustible cabinet back. I have considered this to be a violation of 314.20 and/or 314.19. Am I wrong?
Be mindful 314.20. I occasionally find situations where the receptacle box was mounted flush or slightyly set back into the drywall behind the cabinet, with a hole cut into the back of the cabinet and the device mounted with the ears against the inside surface of the combustible back of the cabinet, leaving a gap of 1/4", 1/2", 1", maybe more between the front edge of the box and the inside surface of the combustible cabinet back. I have considered this to be a violation of 314.20 and/or 314.19. Am I wrong?
peter d
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eprice,
Yes, it is a violation but can easily be fixed with one of these:
eprice,
Yes, it is a violation but can easily be fixed with one of these:
petersonra
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When my bathroom was remodeled, i had the electrician put an outlet inside one of the floor to ceiling cabinets that flank my sink on both side. I have my electric tootbrush and razor plugged into it.
When my bathroom was remodeled, i had the electrician put an outlet inside one of the floor to ceiling cabinets that flank my sink on both side. I have my electric tootbrush and razor plugged into it.
jimwalker
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Nothing in nec forbids it, if in bathroom it must be gfci and this is not uncommon on upscale homes. Question ,does a receptacle in an appliance garage need gfci since it doesnt serve the kitchen counter top ?
Nothing in nec forbids it, if in bathroom it must be gfci and this is not uncommon on upscale homes. Question ,does a receptacle in an appliance garage need gfci since it doesnt serve the kitchen counter top ?
peter d
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I say yes, put the stinkin' GFI in and forget about it.
Oh no, not that one again!!
I say yes, put the stinkin' GFI in and forget about it.
hurk27
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Peter it does serve the counter top because that is what the appliances sit on even when there inside of it.
But don't forget to add the receptacle next to it as it won't count toward the required receptacles.
Peter it does serve the counter top because that is what the appliances sit on even when there inside of it.
But don't forget to add the receptacle next to it as it won't count toward the required receptacles.
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This is commonly done with over the range microwave ovens. The only problem that I can see with regard to receptacles inside cabinets is the so goes the appliances (i.e. appliance garages), hair dryers, curling irons, etc. Although it may not be contrary to the NEC there is a distinct possibility that a heating device be left connected and on while put away and left in the cabinet unattended. More house fires attributed to homeowner errors?
This is commonly done with over the range microwave ovens. The only problem that I can see with regard to receptacles inside cabinets is the so goes the appliances (i.e. appliance garages), hair dryers, curling irons, etc. Although it may not be contrary to the NEC there is a distinct possibility that a heating device be left connected and on while put away and left in the cabinet unattended. More house fires attributed to homeowner errors?
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They also make them in metal for jobs that require metal boxes etc.Originally posted by physis:
I love this place! I've never seen these, thank you Peter D.
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Ok lets say you have a kit. remodel and the cabinets are not in yet. In an effort to avoid a second trip or bending down inside a cabinet to put a G/D plug in, you put the recptacle in with a handi cover on it and the cabinet guys just cut around the preinstalled recp now about a 1/2" nor so recessed int the cabinet.
Any potential problems or code violations anyone can see.
Ok lets say you have a kit. remodel and the cabinets are not in yet. In an effort to avoid a second trip or bending down inside a cabinet to put a G/D plug in, you put the recptacle in with a handi cover on it and the cabinet guys just cut around the preinstalled recp now about a 1/2" nor so recessed int the cabinet.
Any potential problems or code violations anyone can see.
hurk27
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- Portage, Indiana NEC: 2008
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Handy cover = handy box cover a 2"x4" metal cover.
G/D plug = Garbage disposal or and dishwasher receptacle
Handy cover = handy box cover a 2"x4" metal cover.
G/D plug = Garbage disposal or and dishwasher receptacle
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Re: receps inside cabinets?
It might cause grumpiness with customers, though. (The handy box wouldn't look as purdy as a recessed installation.)
Brilliant!
It might cause grumpiness with customers, though. (The handy box wouldn't look as purdy as a recessed installation.)
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